Dr. Fauci receives death threats

[sun rise]

It seems "shoot the messenger" still sadly all too alive in some quarters. And I can confidently guess it's not from a horde of enraged liberals incensed with his facts.

 

[leov]

It seems "shoot the messenger" still sadly all too alive in some quarters. And I can confidently guess it's not from a horde of enraged liberals incensed with his facts.

Imo, all is part of that script....

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems "shoot the messenger" still sadly all too alive in some quarters. And I can confidently guess it's not from a horde of enraged liberals incensed with his facts.

Making it partisan, eh.
Perhaps it's to balance liberals' joy over virus deaths?
(At least one such poster here liked the idea that
Trump supporters were more likely to die of it.)

Let's not judge groups by the few crazies assigned to'm.

 

[exchemist]

It seems "shoot the messenger" still sadly all too alive in some quarters. And I can confidently guess it's not from a horde of enraged liberals incensed with his facts.

This doesn't actually mention death threats. All there is is one remark about him needing "security". Is there more background to this?

(I have to say, though, that I would not be wholly surprised, in view of the shoot-the-messenger vibe I am picking up from some Americans - not many, I stress - that I encounter on the internet.)

 

[Windwalker]

Making it partisan, eh.
Perhaps it's to balance liberals' joy over virus deaths?
(At least one such poster here liked the idea that
Trump supporters were more likely to die of it.)

Let's not judge groups by the few crazies assigned to'm.

From the article:

"However, as Fauci's profile in the pandemic crisis has grown, so has the concern for his welfare. Fauci's guidance to Trump for the country to remain as locked down as possible to help control the virus spread has not earned fans among some fervent right-wing voices.

Fauci was among the health advisers on Trump's team encouraging a continuation of the current guidelines after the President heard from business leaders and some conservative allies that the restrictions were more damaging than the virus itself."
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It's not just one crazy they're worried about adding a security detail for him.

 

[Revoltingest]

From the article:

"However, as Fauci's profile in the pandemic crisis has grown, so has the concern for his welfare. Fauci's guidance to Trump for the country to remain as locked down as possible to help control the virus spread has not earned fans among some fervent right-wing voices.

Fauci was among the health advisers on Trump's team encouraging a continuation of the current guidelines after the President heard from business leaders and some conservative allies that the restrictions were more damaging than the virus itself."​

I'm familiar with those competing interests.
Both sides advocate for increased economic activity or increased
safety measures. No one has The Truth...it's a learning process.
The result is a political compromise. That isn't perfect, but it's what
happens. It happens everywhere...China, USA, Canuckistan, etc.

I'm finding ways to conduct business in relative safely. Much can be
done while still avoiding proximity with associates & the public. What
we need is for everyone to treat the matter thoughtfully & seriously.

 

[icehorse]

Let's not judge groups by the few crazies assigned to'm.

Agreed. But OTOH, the crazies often have a disproportionate impact on society.

 

[Revoltingest]

Agreed. But OTOH, the crazies often have a disproportionate impact on society.

Agreed.
But this doesn't excuse painting groups with such a broad brush.
Otherwise it means that liberals are gleeful over using deaths to
tarnish Trump. Of course, seriously claiming that would be bonkers.

 

[Sunstone]

It is a sad fact that extremism has become mainstream on the Right. It is almost routine now for people who are seen as opposing the Right to receive death threats. Not all right-wingers are extremists, of course, but it appears that a majority now are. I do not mean to imply that all of those extremists are violent or even tending towards violence, but I personally see them as capable of being pushed in that direction. Especially the blind cult followers of Mr. Trump. We can deny the reality of it, but I don't think denying it will do a thing to improve it. The time has come to face the fact this is no longer your grandparent's Right Wing.

Anyone who gloats that the Left is not as bad as the Right these days would better spend their time opposing the relatively few extremists on the Left before they get stronger and more numerous. While it is not the case that Idaho is full of left-wing paramilitary compounds, or that leftists are everywhere driving gun sales to new record highs, things can rapidly change if folks on the Left drop their guard against extremism in their ranks. Just look what happened when folks on the Right dropped their guard.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Making it partisan, eh.
Perhaps it's to balance liberals' joy over virus deaths?
(At least one such poster here liked the idea that
Trump supporters were more likely to die of it.)

Let's not judge groups by the few crazies assigned to'm.

It largely has been a partisan effort between those who accept the reality of SARS-Covid-2, the fools ignoring it, and Reps and Cons going on about the "Chinese virus" hoax. They also tend to hlbe the ones wanting to sacrifice the elderly and infirm to th le Hand.

 

[Revoltingest]

It largely has been a partisan effort between those who accept the reality of SARS-Covid-2, the fools ignoring it, and Reps and Cons going on about the "Chinese virus" hoax. They also tend to hlbe the ones wanting to sacrifice the elderly and infirm to th le Hand.

How many in each group are doing/saying this?
It strikes me that the accusations flying back & forth are prejudicial.

But if that view is cromulent, then the Democrats are in favor of more
deaths because it'll help Biden win in November. So no wonder that
liberals quietly chortle at dying, especially Trump supporters dying.
The minority must die to benefit the greater good. Anything to win.

 

[icehorse]

How many in each group are doing/saying this?
It strikes me that the accusations flying back & forth are prejudicial.

But if that view is cromulent, then the Democrats are in favor of more
deaths because it'll help Biden win in November. So no wonder that
liberals quietly chortle at dying, especially Trump supporters dying.
The minority must die to benefit the greater good. Anything to win.

i think you forgot to add your [sarcasm] tag.

 

[Revoltingest]

i think you forgot to add your [sarcasm] tag.

It's reductio ad absurdum, not sarcasm.
Shadow Wolf would certainly be insulted if I mansplained what I did.

Btw, on the TV show, Dispatches From Elsewhere, I heard
the neologism "transplain". (One of the characters is trans.)

 

[Rational Agnostic]

It is a sad fact that extremism has become mainstream on the Right. It is almost routine now for people who are seen as opposing the Right to receive death threats. Not all right-wingers are extremists, of course, but it appears that a majority now are. I do not mean to imply that all of those extremists are violent or even tending towards violence, but I personally see them as capable of being pushed in that direction. Especially the blind cult followers of Mr. Trump. We can deny the reality of it, but I don't think denying it will do a thing to improve it. The time has come to face the fact this is no longer your grandparent's Right Wing.

Anyone who gloats that the Left is not as bad as the Right these days would better spend their time opposing the relatively few extremists on the Left before they get stronger and more numerous. While it is not the case that Idaho is full of left-wing paramilitary compounds, or that leftists are everywhere driving gun sales to new record highs, things can rapidly change if folks on the Left drop their guard against extremism in their ranks. Just look what happened when folks on the Right dropped their guard.

I agree that leftists do need to watch for extremism as well. Look at the comments section on The Young Turks youtube video about a pastor dying of coronavirus. All these self-righteous liberals literally rejoiced at his death. Both sides are pathetic.

 

[PureX]

It is a sad fact that extremism has become mainstream on the Right. It is almost routine now for people who are seen as opposing the Right to receive death threats. Not all right-wingers are extremists, of course, but it appears that a majority now are. I do not mean to imply that all of those extremists are violent or even tending towards violence, but I personally see them as capable of being pushed in that direction. Especially the blind cult followers of Mr. Trump. We can deny the reality of it, but I don't think denying it will do a thing to improve it. The time has come to face the fact this is no longer your grandparent's Right Wing.

Anyone who gloats that the Left is not as bad as the Right these days would better spend their time opposing the relatively few extremists on the Left before they get stronger and more numerous. While it is not the case that Idaho is full of left-wing paramilitary compounds, or that leftists are everywhere driving gun sales to new record highs, things can rapidly change if folks on the Left drop their guard against extremism in their ranks. Just look what happened when folks on the Right dropped their guard.

Folks on the right didn't "drop their guard". They embraced extremism because it favored their agenda. And they did that because their agenda was always selfish rather than social.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Reminds me of The Simpsons episode where Springfield almost gets destroyed by a comet.

"Let's go burn down the observatory, so this will never happen again! "

 

[Sunstone]

Folks on the right didn't "drop their guard". They embraced extremism because it favored their agenda. And they did that because their agenda was always selfish rather than social.

Perhaps you are forgetting how William F. Buckley and others on the Right used to police its extremists. That is, they would marginalize them in order to prevent their going mainstream. Witness what Buckley did to the John Birch Society. In my opinion -- and I could be wrong about this -- it is only with the rise to prominence and influence of right-wing media (following Reagan's abolition of the Fairness Doctrine) that the best people on the Right could no longer police the likes of Rush Limbaugh, etc.

 

[PureX]

Perhaps you are forgetting how William F. Buckley and others on the Right used to police its extremists. That is, they would marginalize them in order to prevent their going mainstream. Witness what Buckley did to the John Birch Society. In my opinion -- and I could be wrong about this -- it is only with the rise to prominence and influence of right-wing media (following Reagan's abolition of the Fairness Doctrine) that the best people on the Right could no longer police the likes of Rush Limbaugh, etc.

The republican party LOVED Reagan because he was the perfect affable puppet for them to hide behind, and control, while they systematically dismantled socialist protections that had been in place since the fall of the robber barons, to keep them from rising up, again. And they've been running puppets for president ever since. Egocentric dolts that they could control. Trump is just another in a line of them, and it's the people hiding behind them, and pulling their strings that are actually doing the dirty deeds on behalf of their very wealthy 'dark-money' sponsors. Buckley lived in a different era.

 

[sun rise]

@Revoltingest is arguing from a false equivalence perspective.

Look, for example, at terrorist attacks in the US over the past few years. Who has been charged in such attacks and what are their politics?

What are the politics of those who have claimed that keeping gun stores open is mandatory while ignoring the corresponding social evil (death toll) that generates?

What are the politics of those running around the woods in militias ready to start a civil war?

What happened to hate crimes since the current regime took office?

And I'm only getting started.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

@Revoltingest is arguing from a false equivalence perspective.

Look, for example, at terrorist attacks in the US over the past few years. Who has been charged in such attacks and what are their politics?

What are the politics of those who have claimed that keeping gun stores open is mandatory while ignoring the corresponding social evil (death toll) that generates?

What are the politics of those running around the woods in militias ready to start a civil war?

What happened to hate crimes since the current regime took office?

And I'm only getting started.

Yeah. When someone calls it a hoax as they cluster around, they are infirmed by RW sources. When they say Chinese virus, they learned it from RW sources. They have dangerously politicized this disaster.