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Dox GOP senators who'd allow witnesses at impeachment trial

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Salvador, Jan 11, 2020.

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  1. dianaiad

    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    Well, you obviously get your news from CNN and MSNBC....You know, CNN, which is so incredibly unbiased that it just had to pay an undetermined but probably massive amount of money to a young man it not only smeared in the news unjustly, but whose life they probably ruined?

    Right.

    The republicans were NOT allowed to call witnesses or challenge any. If the President decided to invoke his fifth amendment rights in that particular star chamber, I sure don't blame him any.
     
  2. Subduction Zone

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    You seem to be under the mistaken impression that witnesses for the defense are allowed in a grand jury. They are not. The House's job was to find if there was enough evidence to indict. There was. The Republicans tried to obstruct that process. Why should that be allowed? In a grand jury the defense does not get to call witnesses. They usually have little power to even question the witnesses.

    So what was unfair about the process?
     
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  3. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Coincidentia oppositorum
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    Doxing is illegal if it's done with the intent to harm or harass, so No! Criminal acts aren't the method how to partake in a democracy.
     
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  4. fantome profane

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    They are now. Now they can call any witness they want. But apparently there are no witnesses that could possibly provide any defence of Trump. If there were any such a witnesses certainly they would call them. But they don’t want witnesses now.

    And frankly is is disingenuous to suggest they ever did.
     
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  5. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I think this is so important to repeat again and again. The House subpoenaed witness who the White House told not to testify. That in itself is contemptuous.

    Of course, there was a reason for that -- the hope that lengthy court battles over whether the subpoenas should be honoured could push the House processes out past the election. And that would be a good thing for WHO exactly? Exactly -- POTUS.

    Yet the fact remains, those witnesses didn't testify, and ought to testify if anybody is interested in the truth. Since McConnell says he doesn't want to hear from them, we must assume that he is not interested in the truth. And that is good for WHO exactly? Exactly -- POTUS and the Republican party.

    I point out, yet again, that if there was a chance that the testimony that has been refused by the White House would be exculpatory, we would have heard it already, lout and clear. That we have not should be taken as a presumption that the testimony would be quite otherwise.

    Finally, it's fascinating that Trump is calling for new witnesses all over the place: Pelosi, Schiff, Biden -- not a single one of whom could provide even remotely germane evidence to the matters in question -- because they didn't participate, weren't there, and had no opportunity to observe. But of course, this is all smoke and mirrors -- and the tragedy is its probably going to work, which tells me more than I care to know about the supposed system of "checks and balances."

    America is losing a lot, in my view, and it saddens me.
     
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  6. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And eye for an eye? Sounds nice, but two wrongs still don't make a right.
     
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  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I think this needs to be discussed. I watched the impeachment hearings on television, and from all I could see, all the committee members -- from both parties -- were present and accounted for, and allowed their equal turns to examine the witnesses, and their equal turn to vote.

    Now, the fact that there were more Democrats in the room can be laid squarely at the feet of the electorate, who elected more Democrats to the House, period. This comes under the header of "democracy."

    Now, I put it to you, if the vote in committee to impeach was "purely partisan," then is it not possible that some -- from either party -- did not vote upon the evidence put before them, but from some other motive, like party affiliation?

    Now, I listened very carefully to the evidence given. I also listened to the questions put by both parties, and I concluded that I could only vote to impeach, because that is what the evidence presented. And I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, nor even an American.

    But I can listen.
     
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  8. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Exactly! Thank you! They could indeed call any witnesses they'd like -- even Pelosi, Schiff, and the entire Biden clan (except of course, they have no "relevant evidence" to give). I wonder if the Chief Justice, in presiding, would remember the rules of evidence in such cases.
     
  9. Shad

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    You know there was more than one subpoena and more than one person that could be subpoenaed right? You know Congress can go back to the courts getting a court order which law enforcement can enforce right? Your low information point is easy to knock down. Try again. Dems didn't want to follow the court system procedure. Too bad for the Dems and their fabricated obstruction charge.



    Nope. I just used google longer than 5 seconds finding information you didn't know as you found your confirmation bias and stopped doing research. Try again
     
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    So you've swallowed the Fox narrative, i see.


    Your serial adulterer hero would not allow anyone to testify.
     
  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Makes sense. How can you have witnesses to a phone call? 1 or -3? Teleconference?

    Or have the socialist Democrats expanded it now as being something even bigger that they invented?
     
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  12. SkepticThinker

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    They did allow Republican participation.
    They did allow Republican witnesses. Three of them.
    Why do people keep repeating these falsehoods?
     
  13. SkepticThinker

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    The Republicans were involved in every single "secret" session. And they called THREE witnesses.
    Where are you getting this bogus information from? Please tell me it's not from Trump's mouth.
     
  14. Twilight Hue

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    It was their typical closed doors talk in secret with a few 'select' Republicans to the exclusion of others that miffed a lot of people.
     
  15. SkepticThinker

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    That's your take on it.

    The fact of the matter is that Republicans were there.
    Republicans were allowed to ask questions, and did.
    And Republicans called three witnesses during the public hearings.
    Also they published several of the transcripts from those "secret" meetings and held public hearings with the same witnesses, so there goes the "secret" claim as well.

    I'm tired of seeing people distort these most basic of facts.
     
  16. Twilight Hue

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    It's not distorted when the information is not let out to the public.

    The socialist Democrats tried to make a slick deal that they didn't want anybody else to hear.

    But I guess once the transcripts are made 'available' to the public, we will know.

    I hear rumors some socialist Democrats are in OfficeMax right now buying black markers.
     
  17. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    Yeah, sure. Dox the entirety of the GOP while they're at it. Even better, dox those who voted for them as well.
     
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