To believe or not to believe that is the question. There are many atheist that proclaim to Know for certain that God doesn't exist. Most of these individuals ride the coat tails of George Lemaitre and Charles Darwin as if any of these men were died hard atheist. The truth of the matter is neither one of these men denounced God. George balanced his life with God and science and Darwin instead of saying there is no God, just kept silent and stated " In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God."
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Double Minded Atheist
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I don't know any atheist that knows for sure that God does not exist. Alas, my circle of friends is not statistically representative.
By the way, I am sure many people died still confiding in Apollo, Jupiter, Thor or whomever. Does that tell us anything about the reliability of their terminal breath beliefs?
Ciao
- viole
No it doesn't, but it does say that a God exist. Now which God you choose to believe in is a choice only you can make. But to say there is no God is just silly to me.
Unveiled Artist
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It depends on a couple of things. I rarely meet atheists that say they know god-any god-doesn't exist. A lot of atheist focus on the abrahamic god or, if broader, an entity god. However, there is some sense of "god" there but it's not referred to as a noun.
While others, like myself, don't care about Darwin and Lemaitre. I know god doesn't exist because I've noticed everything about god is in one way or another a lived or believed concept of the human wants/needs/ and other psyche, motivations, et cetera. When I approach any person Hindu, Christian, whoever, of what or who god is, there is always a "beyond, above, mystery, etc" type of answer. When I read in scriptures regardless the religion it's more of how people defined god according to their culture and wants/needs.
Nothing about god's definition and nature of existence is external to human thought (regardless of time period).
If this is wrong, well, I haven't came across a person who told me anything foreign of the universe.
Unless someone can give me a characteristic of god that isn't part of any human characteristic or something we want as a characteristic, how can one say god does exist? By default, he doesn't.
Of course, it depends on what you mean by god. God just means object or person of worship. I believe in many spirits but I don't worship them. So, I kind of understand it on both ends.
SkepticThinker
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Do you have a point that you are getting at?
And I'm also not sure I've ever met an atheist that believes Darwin was a "died hard atheist."
Ditto.All the atheists I've met have said, in effect, I've seen no good reason to believe a god exists so there's no reason to believe one does; therefore, I don't believe any god exists. Nothing about knowing for certain.
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And I'm also not sure I've ever met an atheist that believes Darwin was a "died hard atheist."
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It does not say that at all. If you confuse Jupiter or the great Juju with Jesus or Thor, then whatever you believe in that area is not reliable in the slightest.
Especially, short before you die. Not exactly the time when brains can think cold and rationally. I cannot exclude that I will revert to my old religion myself. Unlikely, but possible.
Ciao
- viole
Skwim
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Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Would you say the likelyhood of your god existing is equal to the likelyhood that Zeus rules Midgard(earth) from mount Olympus?
Just the that that you even mention other God's should tell you that a real God exist. Where else would it come from.
I am just trying to figure out on what bases does non believers have to say there is no God. Is it just what they think. At least Christians have the bible.
Even people in ancient history knew there where Gods. So how can people in today's society say or think otherwise. What makes them so sure? It seems to me that no one has a definitive answer.
Or rather do they really realize that it remains their belief not fact or truth?
People today need more convincing. They need to "see it to believe it."
buddhist
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Early Buddhism would say "to know or not to know, that is the question". Blind faith or belief is irrelevant.
I "know" that there is a tall tower named Eiffel in Paris, France.
There's nothing that precludes truly believing from being truth.
Do you expect us to have Scriptures that justify our disbelief?
Well, I can correct the situation easily:
Viole 25:32. There Is no god. Live with it.
Joking aside, I disbelieve, because
1) there is no evidence
2) there is really no evidence
3) none whatsoever
Ciao
- viole
From what you "know" that there's a Eiffel in Paris?
From the witnessing of other humans, no?
You don't even have the evidence that earth is revolving around the sun, or the existence of black holes. What's that to do with their existence?