Yes, and I think perhaps it's your inability to express them.Okay, so it appears something is blocking your ability to understand rather simple ideas.
I have laid out a very simple chain of events that led Bob to a resolution to his problem, within which praying was a crucial element. I have asked several people to explain how this chain of events is inaccurate, or unreasoned, or was not effective, and no one seems to be able to explain this. Instead, they just keep telling me how "irrational" it all is. Which seems pretty irrational to me, because I don't see how rationality is even relevant to praying being effective. I doubt very much that Bob cared that his solution was rational. I think he just cared that it was effective. As would any of us under the circumstances.
And that is what this thread is all about: how effective prayer is. Not how rational it is.
Every example of prayer working for someone is ONE subjective, anecdotal example "in the real world". That doesn't mean that all those examples were not positively effecting each in their own way. In fact, logically, I think we have to acknowledge that prayer IS positively effective even if it's only positively effective for one person.Because your version would be at best one cherry picked example in the real world.
Consider this: prayer has saved and helped to save many MILLIONS of human lives over the centuries. Literally, saved countless people's lives. It's stopped alcoholics from drinking and drug addicts from using drugs all over the world, every single day. It's stopped food addicts from over-eating. It's stopped mentally ill and emotionally disturbed people from killing themselves and/or others. It's stopped husbands and fathers from abandoning their promises and responsibilities to their families. It's stopped soldiers from committing atrocities during wartime. And on and on and on. And yet this thread is trying to claim that prayer is "ineffective". That is has no effect "in the real world". And why? Just because the people making this claim hate religion and consider it irrational superstition, and therefor despise anything they consider related to religion as "irrational superstition".
Now THAT'S irrational.
If they prayed to win the lottery, then they would very likely be disappointed. But that doesn't mean their prayer was ineffective. As hopefully, they will have learned that this is not what prayer is for. That it's not an appropriate use of that activity. And having learned this, they will better apply their prayers in the future, gaining them much better and more positive results.For every "Bob" that wins there would be a thousand "Bob"s that lost in the real world.
If I try to drive a screw into a board using a hammer, it would almost certainly not work for me. But that doesn't make my hammer useless. As in fact it's a very useful tool; but I have to learn to apply it to the proper purpose. Prayer is the same way. It's a very useful tool when applied to the proper circumstance. Not everyone understands this, or knows what the proper purpose of prayer, is. So people make mistakes, and some people make false claims, and that's unfortunate. But that doesn't make prayer useless nor ineffective. Nor does it make it "irrational", no matter how many of you say it does, or how many times you keep saying it.