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Don't think for a minute just because you have an eco friendly vehicle you're going to save money.

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Nowhere Man, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Revoltingest I am the one who naps.
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    This is going to be a necessity. If all cars turn electric which they might do in two decades or so, other methods of taxation beside the gas tax will have to be used to finance the contruction, maintenance and repair or roads and transport infrastructures. These things aren't free. Paying checkpoints might be used or a tax on recharge stations electricity might be another or an increase in general sales tax or electricity might be avenues.
     
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  6. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Here's a capitalist solution.

    Figure out how much co2 is produced by burning a gallon of any given fuel.
    Figure out how much it will cost to permanently sequester that much co2.

    Add a waste disposal fee to the price of each gallon equivalent to the cost of sequestration. Let the market figure out how to reduce the cost of waste disposal.

    The main reason fossil fuels are considered economically feasible is because the users can dump their waste on the rest of us for free. We could change that.
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    Revoltingest I am the one who naps.
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    Have you been eating bacon?
     
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  8. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    It makes me wonder now if they're going to put a universal toll system on the roadways that can read the mileage of your car in addition to road use fees. Talk about infrastructure if that were to ever happen
     
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    With more advances in ''smart cars'', each cars could be equipped with a computer that sends wirelessly it's mileage every months or so which will then be linked to a tax based on distance. Of course, the problem with that would be that it would be relatively easy to hack that system and foil the taxation. This is a major problem.
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    The silence of electric cars...no gears to change...
    Priceless


    I think we are gonna need to build 10 nuclear plants
     
  11. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Just think, we'll all have glorified golf carts.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    There's already a capitalist solution to that problem as well. It's called "toll roads".

    Japan doesn't have a socialist transportation system like the USA does. If you want to drive a personal vehicle outside your municipal area, you take a toll road which is privately owned. You pay whatever the owners charge. Typically, it's around 15 cents per mile, but varies a great deal.
    However, people who don't use them aren't forced to subsidize the ones who do with their tax dollars. Like we do here in socialist USA.
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    Sounds to me like it will create a job sector. Electronic/electrical maintenance isn't cheap or easy.
     
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    If your purpose in driving an eco friendly vehicle is to save money, you’re probably doing it wrong.
     
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    On the other hand, driving cheap tends to be eco-friendly.

    My favorite car ever was a Mitsubishi Expo. I could fit five people, or two plus a full sized washing machine inside it and drive interstate getting around 30mpg.

    I sometimes joked that the car was so space efficient I could fit another one just like it inside.:D
    Tom
     
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    In the UK we are thinking of making ECs noisy because otherwise pedestrians will walk in front of them.
    True.
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  18. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    The thread title totally overstates the economics to make it appear inevitable that no money can be saved.

    When I recharge my PEV at night, the cost in electricity is approximately $1.50/gallon. So the higher initial cost for the car is being offset by my daily savings by recharging when the cost of electricity is less than the cost of gas. Someone who wants to can work out the crossover point. And this is PG&E costs not the solar roof path.

    As far as road go, we need to pay for road repair somehow. It seems some form of use tax is best. But if you hate taxes so much you don't want to pay them in any form, then stop driving on the roads that I pay taxes to maintain.
     
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    It is only fair that the people using the roadways provide the tax money needed to build and maintain them. It matters not how they are collected.
    In actuality, we all pay a portion of those taxes, they are just hidden in the cost of goods.
     
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  20. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Sounds kind of hollow. In light of this..


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/

    I'm sure of course the luxury class will be happy to heed your advice.
     
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