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Donald Trump And His Struggle With Alzheimer's?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Skwim, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    An opinion piece by By Michael D'Antonio

    "Trump is spouting nonsense at a greater rate

    It's not just that President Donald Trump has been spouting nonsense at a greater rate, although he is. What's new is that his false statements are becoming more bizarre. He said this week, for example, that his Bronx-native father was born in Germany. And they are accompanied by other displays of apparent cognitive distress. Among the glaring examples:

    Last month, the President of the United States looked at Apple executive Tim Cook, one of the most important business leaders in the world, and called him Tim Apple.

    A few days earlier at a conservative conference where he literally hugged a flag, Trump ditched his script and rambled for two mostly incoherent hours. He mixed mockery, profanity and grandiosity in a style more suited to a barstool than a podium decorated with the presidential seal.

    In an Oval Office encounter with reporters this week, he repeatedly used the word "oranges" instead of "origins" to demand an investigation into the beginnings of the independent counsel's probe of Russian influence in the 2016 election.

    Bizarrely, he told a GOP fundraiser audience that "they say" the sound created by energy-producing windmills "causes cancer."
    In any family, a 72-year-old man who spoke this way would be the subject of urgent discussions. Trump's trouble accessing words, summoning long-term memories, and naming a famous man in front of him could indicate mental deterioration. Add the crazy talk about windmills and cancer, coming from the leader of the free world, and you get a situation that ought to alarm everyone.

    This situation is complicated by Trump's long and deep record of lying to suit his purpose. For decades, he made excessive claims about his wealth and abilities and the ratings for his reality TV show. Fantastic claims became his self-serving stock in trade. As a politician, Trump transferred this deceptive method into the political landscape -- call it his lie-scape -- and picked up the pace of the falsehoods.

    Trump's record makes it hard to pick out trends. Sometimes he seems to exaggerate and distort for effect. At other moments, it seems he believes the crazy stuff he says. But it is possible to evaluate a public figure's speech patterns and make objective observations.

    In 2017, Stat News, the health news website, asked experts in neurolinguistics and cognitive assessment, psychologists and psychiatrists to review his past and recent speech and found evidence of decline from his younger days.

    In interviews in the 1980s and '90s, according to Stat News, Trump "spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print."

    More recently, noted Stat, "Trump's vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one." When shown examples of the two Trumps, experts saw symptoms that "can indicate slipping brain function due to normal aging or neurodegenerative disease."

    If Trump were a private citizen, his condition wouldn't matter to anyone outside a close circle. He would be evaluated, his father's Alzheimer's disease might be noted as a red flag, and, one hopes, he would get the help he needs. But Trump is the most powerful person in the world and can do great harm with what he says.

    In a flurry of tweets Tuesday, Trump mangled the facts of Puerto Rico's hurricane recovery effort, suggesting the island has received $91 billion in relief money. (The correct figure is $11.2 billion; $91 billion is how much the federal government may disburse to Puerto Rico over the next two decades). He also planted the canard that somehow mainland farmers are being exploited in the equation. "Cannot continue to hurt our Farmers and States with these massive payments, and so little appreciation!" wrote Trump

    The Puerto Rico misstatements are so egregious that one hopes they could be blamed on a mind in decline. The alternative holds that Trump was lying and that he is an intentionally divisive and destructive leader of truly bad character who demonizes one set of constituents to stir resentment among another.

    For Americans who are subject to Trump's rhetoric, the most alarming element may be what it does to us. Leaders and those they lead exist in a dynamic relationship. A president's words and gestures can both inspire and terrify. The talk coming from this President is frightening, destabilizing and bewildering. We don't want to think that the man in the Oval Office is unfit, but when he repeatedly shows us the evidence, how can we draw another conclusion?
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    Anyone have an island country they'd like sell? I've got a buyer.


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  2. Shadow Wolf

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    None of that alone can diagnose Alzheimers. There are specific symptoms. You mentioned a few that overlap with other possibilities.
    Stop trying to play doctor.
     
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  3. Salvador

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    Joe Biden as well as Donald Trump appear to be getting senile. Maybe, they both are getting too old to be our President.
     
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    You do realize, do you not, that I didn't write the piece. That said, there's something darn frightening going on in Trump's noggin, and if it isn't Alzheimer's it's something just as scary.

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  5. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Ok so most if not all fabrications of the author then.

    Frederick Trump - Wikipedia

    The author must have dementia.

    Trump tweets about dinner with Apple CEO Tim Cook

    "In March, Cook attended a meeting at the White House and Trump called him "Tim Apple." Hashtag #TimApple was trending shortly after Trump's tweet Friday, with some replying to ask Trump if he meant Tim Apple.

    Days after the March meeting, Trump said he didn't make a mistake but called him "Tim Apple" as a time-saving measure."

    This was in March. The author said last month. Obvious signs the author is mentally ill.

    Clearly he is saying origins. But with his accent I can see it being an honest mistake of anyone who is not cultured enough to account for it.


    Add uncultured and ignorant to the authors list.

    It was a joke. Add no sense of humor to the author as well.

    Here is a video of him telling the joke and the crowd laughing.
    Brandon Wall on Twitter

    And the rest of the article is nonsensical ravings of a crazy person that's intellectually dishonest, demented, uncultured, ignorant, no sense of humor, and completely full of BS. Just like anyone that would believe their lies.
     
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    That is a very well written and thought provoking post.

    You may well be right. I don’t think an intelligent deliberate liar would do such an alarmingly tragicomic performance.

    If that analysis is right, not necessarily Altzheimers but some kind of degenerative brain disorder, it is difficult to imagine it being handled at all well or compassionately. It would probably generate various plots from different agencies, and even if that were not the case, the conspiracy theory machine would go into overload and have bad results on the street.
     
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    Donald Trump sees potential there. The ice is melting away in Greenland, hence, this land will become habitable and valuable.

     
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    Trumps supporters seem to have no mind of their own, when ever he says something truly insane or stupid, they scramble over themselves to back up his insanity, Buy Greenland, anyone knows that is a stupid idea!! Oh and Enoch, Trumps grandfather was born in Germany, not his father, like the article states.
     
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    You'd think ski boots would hurt Derpy Donny's bonespurs :(
     
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    Somehow we agree. And I have a reason for my opinion - it's knowing myself at 74 and my friends who are in their 70's. It's a very good reason to support another Democrat in 2020.
     
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    It's self-interest and narcissism. No reason to medicalize it. What he's doing is working, why would he stop now?
     
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    Clearly you didn't write it. But you are promoting it. People who play doctor, those who endorse it, promote it, and support it very frequently prove why it's a bad idea, and actual laws and policies exist when it comes to real healthcare providors who label people with a diagnosis when it's not their place to do so. At best, he showing possible signs of dementia.
     
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    Yes, I reckon bone spurs could be extremely painful when placed within the confines of a hard boot.
     
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  17. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Landon Trumps Father was conceived in February 1905 in Germany. His parents were German citizens at the time. Do the math. He was born in the U.S. but conceived in Germany by German parents. He was born 4 months after they came back to America.

    "In February 1905, a royal decree was issued ordering Trump to leave within eight weeks due to having emigrated to evade military service and failing to register his departure with the authorities.[23] For several months, Trump petitioned the government to allow him to stay but he was unsuccessful.[3]:100

    He and his family returned to New York on 30 June 1905.[3]:102 Their son Fred was born on 11 October 1905, in the Bronx, New York.[3]:110The family lived at 539 East 177th Street. In 1907, their second son, John, was born."

    Talk about splitting hairs sheesh. So petty and childish of a thing for a journalist to pick out.
     
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    You're doing the same thing OP is doing.
     
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    Im not saying he does have it. I'm acknowledging that some of his speeches and behaviors seem like it might be possible, but as the article says it could be age related cognitive decline. That is far different than announcing his struggles with it.
     
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    An American born German isn't really the same as a German born German.
     
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