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What do you make of the notion that fundamentalist Christians and dogmatic atheists have in common an intolerance for uncertainty?
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Dogmatic atheism and fundamentalist Christianity: creating certainty in an uncertain world
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What do you make of the notion that fundamentalist Christians and dogmatic atheists have in common an intolerance for uncertainty?
What about the agnostics and some spiritualists who insist that there is certainly uncertainty about things atheists and theists think are certain? Should we also call them dogmatic?
SpeaksForTheTrees
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imho if this the way it was , then Jesus would of climbed down from the cross and forced his will on that day .
Christian more tolerant than the other two , is probably your personal experiences that direct yourself .
Truth is fanatics be whatever beliefs are dangerous
A close reading of the article linked to in the OP should reassure you that no one is proposing to call such people "dogmatic".
An atheist who admits of no possibility whatsoever that he or she could be wrong.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Antitheists might fall under that category, or perhaps strong atheists with a dogmatic concept of what atheism is.
edit: removed "would". Pre-coffee writing is my excuse.
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PackJason
I make up facts.
I think they'd be the same as a "strong atheist", ie, one who is certain there are no gods.
There aren't many of those.
Most of us are "weak atheists", ie, we disbelieve, but we cannot prove there aren't gods.
We also qualify as agnostic.
From a practical standpoint, there's no difference between any of us.
All material differences between atheists are because of personal traits.
Example:
An anti-theist could be a strong or weak atheist.
I know, sorry I should have been more specific. I think the word dogmatic is being used in a fast and loose way and that having certainty (even if the certainty is 'I am certain no one knows') is not dogmatism because certainty isn't synonymous. This article seems like it's trying to make them be.
In which case someone who says the existence of gods is unknowable should be called a dogmatic agnostic.
Thanks for the clarification! I take a rather different approach to language, myself. But I see your point.
A few, but then I've known quite a few people.
Actually, the article pretty much lays out how the atheists were selected out as "dogmatic" from atheists in general. The selection was based on a whole host of factors, or -- if you will -- general tendencies.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Are you kidding? They are all over RF!
Are you on the same forum as everyone else?
I'm an anti-theist. Please explain why you think I'm dogmatic.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Hence the use of the word "might".
Sorry - I didn't know that "might would" means "might".
Are you saying that you don't think I'm dogmatic? Why did you bring up anti-theists at all?
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Sorry. The "would" snuck in there. My bad. Still working on my morning coffee.
Because weak atheists of course couldn't be dogmatic, they lack belief and stance completely to the issue. So if someone asks "What the hell is a "dogmatic atheist?"", then I suggest that if they exist, then you would find them in the category of antitheists and strong atheists rather than the weak atheists.
After all, according to the article, a "dogmatic atheist" is someone who "agreed with statements like “Faith is an expression of a weak personality”. And I thought that an atheists who would say that would probably fall into the antitheist category or the strong atheist category rather than the weak atheist category. Doesn't mean that all antitheists or all strong atheists are dogmatic though.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Why yes. You have been quite dogmatic in trying to debate with me in the past over things you yourself had strawmanned, regardless of my actual postings and beliefs, so yes, we are on the same forum.