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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by John1.12, May 1, 2021.

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    So you're shopping around for the religion that gives you the best hope of going to Heaven? Not the one that makes the most sense, or gives you the best connexion to God, or has a Scripture you agree with, or such, just which one gives you a ticket to Jannah?

    Still shallow, imo.
     
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    Yes ,the OT .
     
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    Yes you have to recieve a gift. And yes its free if its a gift. But you would be surprised by how much within Christianity how this fact gets twisted .
     
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    Again I never said that .
     
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    So there are reasons you chose Christianity other than this? I'd like to know them. You're essentially trying to make the case that Christianity is the best religion because it gets you to heaven, and that sounds really terrible.
     
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    Eternal life sounds like torture to me. After a few million years, it would be boredom. After a few billion years, it would be enough to produce insanity.

    I would much rather have a limited lifespan than to live forever. To me, living forever isn't 'good news'; it is terrifying in the extreme. The *good*
    news is that it might not be necessary to endure such.

    And I happen to *like* the fact that there are always more questions. I *like* figuring things out and testing my ideas. To *not* have all the answers would make an *extended* life more tolerable. Maybe it would be enough for a few hundred thousand years. But to have all the answers *and* live forever seems like a version of hell to me.
     
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    No the prerequisite is not ' believing he existed ' . No Jesus atoned. We simply recieve the atonement by faith. Believing the Gospel ( 1 cor 15 .1-4 )is the prerequisite. 1 cor 1.21 kjv
     
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    Which is why most religions have nothing to offer me. The offering of an after life isn't a big plus in my book. An *eternal* afterlife would be a *huge* negative.
     
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    I have eternal life right now. Yes my body will die . But I will receive a new glorified body and live in heaven eternally . No more death , disease , pain, loss , lack, tears ect . I have this guranteed now . So I'm not working towards it . I don't have a endless progression towards the potential for it . I maintain who I am . I don't merge into God ect like a drop of water into the ocean ect .
     
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    I would agree with that if it was like how life is now .
     
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    I wouldn't just accept or believe something based on what's appealing .
     
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    Not shopping . When someone is sharing their religion with me ,I often say ,if your religion offers more than what I currently have, I.ll listen ..I've not heard anything yet. So I thought I.d ask on here .
     
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    You only have a guarantee *if* your particular interpretation of your particular religion is correct. If it isn't, you have nothing AND have given up experiencing many joys of life.
     
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    Eternal life would be torture if it was like this life .
     
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    And yet, that seems to be *exactly* what you are arguing: asking which religion offers the best cookies seems to be precisely looking for what is most appealing.
     
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    But its not based on that . Again were discussing IF its true as a given ,for arguments sake .
     
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    The offers may look good, but that doesn't make the religion true. What are you looking for?
     
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    It would be torture eventually no matter what. Even continual bliss would be torture eventually. Or soul-crushing.
     
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    The discussion is not ' do you believe what you believe because it was the most appealing to you ' .
     
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    And, from what I can see, what is offered by most religions is pure torture. No thanks.
     
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