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Does your belief / religion ect offer a better deal ?

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
So just from a overview I can see that the good news in Jesus is not surpassed by your good news. Is that fair ? If indeed its true that the prerequisite to recieve eternal life is ' believing the Gospel ' , believing what Jesus has done for our sins , but this is needed to be recieved simply through faith. ?
I am not here to say "my belief is better than your belief" or "my belief is more correct than your belief" I have chosen the sufi path because that was what made me open my eyes to what i needed to change in my life, and as a person, and that is an ongoing prosess i am in right now, and it is far from finish.
If the Gospel of Jesus fit your "needs" and your belief, i think it is very good that you found the teaching that make you feel whole. Nothing is better than when a person find truth from within. and maybe you have done that.

For my own path through life, I do not rely on anyone else then my own change to be able enter paradise as spoken about in the teaching. I do not hold a belief that Allah will pick me, just because i chose to believe in him.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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Is it fair to say ,each religion / truth claim is presenting ' good news ' ? my discussion is essentially this . I believe there is no greater good news to be found anywhere else, other than what I have . But I'm open to hear if there is ?
No, because not every religion is based on the idea of salvation such as Christianity is. The concept of 'good news' is a Christian concept, so of course you won't find it anywhere else.
 

John1.12

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Well I'm a universalist, so I believe in certainty of *eventual* reconcilliation with God for whoever desires it, I believe in eternal life for everyone, but I believe in a spectrum of spiritual development rather than a binary heaven/hell state. And I also believe that those wishing to progress in virtue may progress in spiritual development after death. I couldn't ethically promise you no fear of dying though, because that is a natural part of the physical response to an existential threat, the only way to block such a physical response that i know of is through use of substances I would not recommend such as cocaine.
Ok, sounds like good news . On the certainty front. What brings you certainty in what you believe? Is there anything you point to that supports what you believe? or is it just ' intuition ' ect
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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The discussion here is based on what the requirements for your belief/ religion are . What is required of you to do in order to attain. Its immediate benefits/ results and its future promise / fulfilment.

If there was a hard and fast list of requirements for my religion, I assure you that I wouldn't have signed up.

That said, in my religion, in a nutshell, the goal of practice is Moksha, which is Self-realization/liberation from samsara, the cycle of rebirth. This is done by living in accordance with one's dharma and by learning to let go of worldly desires and attachments.

Now this of course is based on whether or not said belief is true or not.

It's for each individual determine what is "true," not you.

But first let's discuss what's on offer here and my argument is , I don't believe anyone can offer more than I already have ,as a bible believing Christian . Not immediately or in the future.

That remains to be seen. But a bit of advice. Tread carefully here. This forum does not condone proselytizing.
 

John1.12

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I see it as two different teachings seeking to elevate the followers to the paradise each teaching speak of. So i am not going to say Sufism is better or the only true way to God. For me it seems to help me realize deeper wisdom than i held in the past. So sufism is right for me.
The difference as i understand it is that Christianity speak of Jesus has taken the sin of every person for all eternaty, so it does not matter what the person actually do, as long they believe in Jesus they go to heaven. This is not the teaching within Sufism, Sufism speak of the path that lead to each person awakening to the thruth by their own effort to better them self, and removal of all the bad habbits they may hold. So sufism is much more about realizing the truth from within, than believing that Allah or Muhammad take us to paradise just because we believe in them.
My understanding of most mainstream religions is that in order to atain eternal life requires self effort , commitment, practicing, self denial, steps, continuing till the end and ' if ' and maybe if these steps ect have been followed then maybe there is eternal life at the end .
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
My understanding of most mainstream religions is that in order to atain eternal life requires self effort , commitment, practicing, self denial, steps, continuing till the end and ' if ' and maybe if these steps ect have been followed then maybe there is eternal life at the end .
I do believe all forms of religions have an inward journey yes, Sufism is not called a mainstream path in Islam :) it is called mystecism path within islam :) because much of the teaching has to do with the internal and sometimes intuitive part of the person.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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But if either position was true , if its a fair thought experiment. ( of course I believe what I believe is true ) We could possibly agree i may have the better offer . I would challenge anyone to better , a genuine recognised truth claim that offers more than I have .

"Better" is a matter of individual perspective. What might be better for you might not be better for another.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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Premium Member
Is it fair to say ,each religion / truth claim is presenting ' good news ' ? my discussion is essentially this . I believe there is no greater good news to be found anywhere else, other than what I have . But I'm open to hear if there is ?

Good for you. My truth is "good news" for me, and truths of others are "good news" for them.

My news might not be as good for you as it is for me. I can say from experience that your news isn't as good for me as it is for you.

In case you haven't seen it yet, take a peek at my signature. Each individual's path is their own unique path to "God." It's not for you to mess with.
 

exchemist

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Is it fair to say ,each religion / truth claim is presenting ' good news ' ? my discussion is essentially this . I believe there is no greater good news to be found anywhere else, other than what I have . But I'm open to hear if there is ?
Yes, I was forgetting how insufferable smugness is another unattractive feature of some "bible-believing" Christians. :D
 

John1.12

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If there was a hard and fast list of requirements for my religion, I assure you that I wouldn't have signed up.

That said, in my religion, in a nutshell, the goal of practice is Moksha, which is Self-realization/liberation from samsara, the cycle of rebirth. This is done by living in accordance with one's dharma and by learning to let go of worldly desires and attachments.



It's for each individual determine what is "true," not you.



That remains to be seen. But a bit of advice. Tread carefully here. This forum does not condone proselytizing.
Explaining what biblical christianity teaches to compare with other religions is pivotal to this topic / discussion.
 

John1.12

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Yes, I was forgetting how insufferable smugness is another unattractive feature of some "bible-believing" Christians. :D
Salvation in the New testament is described as a ' free gift ' . We should be ' smug ' and insufferable with Joy. with receiving eternal life ect .
 
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