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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Dawnofhope, Nov 5, 2018.

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  1. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    Here's what you given.
    Luke 13:33 Commentaries: "Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem"


    Now compare that with the bible king James version,
    Luke 13:33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"

    Both are still implying the same thing.
    For it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.

    So Baha'u'llah dieing 200 miles from Jerusalem, is a long ways from dieing at Jerusalem.
    No matter how a person trys to cut it, its all the same.
    A prophet dieing 200 miles away from Jerusalem is not dieing in Jerusalem.
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    Or, all the tribulations lead to the one return of Jesus as Christians believe. Since Muhammad came prior to Baha'u'llah, did he say anything about being the first woe or being one of the two witnesses or any other prophecy from Revelation that he fulfilled?
     
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    But one Baha'i has said that the "Lamb" in Revelation is not Jesus, but is The Bab. I, personally, don't see why anyone would think it was any one else but Jesus. Why would Muhammad or The Bab be called the "Lamb" and Baha'u'llah has his own title the "Glory of God"?
     
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    I suppose its a little much to ask you to actually read the link provided let alone consider what it may mean.

    A commentary is when people with biblical knowledge and expertise consider what a verse may mean.

    Here's an example;

    Benson's commentary

    That unhappy city, which claims prescription for murdering the messengers of God. Such cruelty and malice cannot be found elsewhere. If a true prophet was put to death, he was prosecuted as a false prophet. Now the supreme court, whose prerogative it was to judge prophets, had its seat at Jerusalem. Inferior courts did not take cognizance of such causes; and therefore, if a prophet was put to death, it must be at Jerusalem. So Dr. Lightfoot here. Our Lord, “in saying a prophet could not perish out of that city, insinuated, that he knew the intentions of the Pharisees too well to pay any regard to their advice respecting departing from Galilee for fear of Herod. Or, in making this observation, his design may have been to display the wickedness of that city, the inhabitants of which had been, in every age, the chief enemies of the messengers of God: and to this agrees what our Lord says of Jerusalem in the pathetic lamentation which he now utters concerning it, on account of its crimes, its obstinacy, and its punishment.”

    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem — Thou guilty and miserable city, which, though thou hast been distinguished by divine favours beyond any place on earth, yet, with the utmost ingratitude and cruelty, killest the prophets, and stonest, as the vilest malefactors, them that are sent unto thee — As the ambassadors of God. How often would I have gathered thy children — Unto myself, with all the tenderness of paternal love; as a hen her brood under her wings — To cherish and defend them. Three solemn visits he had made to Jerusalem, since his baptism, for this very purpose. And ye would not — You were still regardless of the offers of my grace, and would not be persuaded to hearken to my call, and to accept my favour. And now, behold, with awful dread, and mark the prediction and event: your house is left unto you desolate — Is now irrevocably consigned to desolation and destruction. For verily I say unto you — I will quickly cease my labours among you, and withdraw from you in such righteous displeasure, that ye shall not see me until the time come when, taught by your calamities, ye shall be ready and disposed to say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord — Wishing in vain for the succour of him whom you now despise.


    Luke 13:33 Commentaries: "Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.
     
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    That's one theory. Then we need to better understand the meaning of the three woes.

    The concept of many prophets fulfilling one verse is well established. For example Deuteronomy 18:18-22 doesn't refer to just one prophet but many that are to come.

    Muhammad taught pagans who had little or no knowledge of the Bible. Why would He provide in depth commentaries on the book of revelation? He certainly left that door open for scholars to investigate by emphasising the importance of Jesus and the Gospels and Moses and the Torah. Unfortunately Muslims scholars choose the path of least resistance. Instead of properly investigating the Gospel and Torah, they declared them to be corrupt and obsolete.
     
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    Now as to why do i need to read man's teachings, When I have the teaching of Christ Jesus.
    Do you really believe man's teachings are to be exalted over and above the teaching of Christ Jesus.
    Maybe to you, but not for me never.

    As long as Christ Jesus is my Lord and Savior I will only go by what he has to say and no one else.
     
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    The Manifestations of God all have many titles, some which are generic and applicable to any Manifestation of God, others that are specific.

    Consider some of the titles of Jesus.

    Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament - Wikipedia

    Given the lamb of God is referring to either 'a Return of Christ' or 'The Return of Christ' it is still a Messianic title that refers to a future Messiah.

    Taking a literalistic approach and assuming it will be the same physical body of Jesus that returns is highly problematic and makes little sense.
     
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    I guess Jesus is a false Prophet then because He perished outside of Jerusalem:
     
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    Jesus was not crucified outside of Jerusalem, but at Jerusalem on mount Moriah. The same mount Moriah that Abraham offered up his son Isaac on mount Moriah.
     
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    LAWTON: According to the New Testament, Jesus was crucified at a spot outside Jerusalem called Golgotha, which in Aramaic means “place of the skull.” The Latin word for skull is calvaria, and in English many Christians refer to the site of the crucifixion as Calvary.Mar 30, 2012
    Where Was Jesus Buried? | March 30, 2012 | Religion & Ethics ... - PBS

    https://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2012/03/30/...where-was-jesus.../10645/
     
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    The corruption in the Torah and Gospel.

    The Qur'an does actually say that the Hebrews and Christians, changed their scriptures and it also says that they wrote the scriptures with their own hands and changed certain words out of their proper places.


    Allah did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. And Allah said: "I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practise regular charity, believe in my messengers, honour and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude.


    "But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"

    "Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

    "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"


    Allah says about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will believe in your religion in spite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allah (the Tawraat), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?” [al-Baqarah 2:75]

    1. Changing
    2. Omitting
    3. Adding things and attributing to Allaah words that He did not say
    4. Misinterpreting the words of Allaah.

    Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

    Gospels corrupted authors unknown the original disciples didn't write the 4 Gospels and Christian scholars say they don't know who actually wrote these books.

    They use the Greek word Kata meaning according to.

    Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, didn't write these books their authors are unknown.


    Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew

    https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Christi...jo-20&linkId=d6a8810e9c3b140912d3ad764d03c7fc


    Scholars do know that the earliest gospel manuscripts are unsigned and unattributed, which is what we mean by ‘anonymous’. In fact even today, they are not signed in the same way as Paul’s epistles are.

    Scholars know that the second-century Church Fathers discussed attribution and, for example, it appears that John’s Gospel was at one stage in the second century attributed to Cerinthus, before being attributed to John.

    Scholars also know that the Gospels of Matthew and Luke were substantially based on Mark’s Gospel. This rules out the disciple Matthew as an author, if not Luke.

    Dr Graham Scroggie in his book says Mathew copied 75% of Mark and Luke copied 45 or 50% of so called Marks Gospel, but Christians say Jesus original disciples wrote these books but 2 of them basically copies, whoever wrote Marks Gospel.

    https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Gospels-Comprehensive-Analysis-Four/dp/0825439043


    The Jesus Seminar says the same thing as Scroggie says and says 75% of the words Jesus supposedly said he didn't even say and these are Christian scholars.

    The Five Gospels: What Did Jesus Really Say? The Search for the Authentic Words of Jesus Paperback – December 19, 1996
    https://www.amazon.com/Five-Gospels-Really-Search-Authentic/dp/006063040X


    Also scholars say whoever wrote Mark actually copied a Gospel they call Q, short for German that means hidden sources, Quelle.

    Everyone is copying everyone else and your telling me this is the original Gospel of Jesus.

    There's more, Christians changing the Gospels and other books in the New Testament .

    proof below.

    Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
    https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512

    Christian website confirms the Changes in the New Testament.

    3 Textual Variants Every Christian Should Know About

    1 John 5:7-8

    "For there are three that testify: in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree."

    Most modern English translations don't contain the italicized portion above, but the King James and New King James do. So which is it? Is it supposed to be in—or out?

    The majority of the earliest manuscripts do not contain the questionable section, but it found its way into the King James translation in the 17th century, which didn't utilize the earliest manuscripts. Most scholars, even very conservative ones, conclude that this section was not in the original writing.

    Theologically, this can be perceived as a problem because these words so clearly affirm the doctrine of the Trinity. However, a case for the Trinity can be easily made without them, so no core doctrine is impacted.


    Mark 16:9-20

    Sometimes referred to as the "long ending of Mark," this portion of Mark's Gospel is not considered by most authorities to be in the original. Most English translations mark this section with brackets and note that our earliest and most reliable manuscripts do not contain it. It speaks of drinking poison and picking up snakes (which is probably a bad idea!), but it also mentions the resurrection of Jesus. Considering that the resurrection of Jesus is affirmed elsewhere in Mark's Gospel and in the New Testament, this variant also does not impact any core doctrine.


    John 7:53—8:11

    This is a difficult variant for many Christians because it is the only place in the Bible where one of the most beloved stories about Jesus' life is recorded. (Remember me standing in my kitchen? Yep. This is the one.) Many of us are inspired by Jesus’ words to an angry mob when a woman was caught in the act of adultery: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." We are comforted by His words to her: "Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."

    Most scholars, including conservatives, agree that this story was not originally in John's Gospel, yet many believe it has a good chance of being historical. (1) In other words, it most likely happened, but it wasn't John who wrote it down. Either way, this variant doesn’t challenge any core tenet of the faith.

    Obviously like the Qur'an says writing the book with your own hands and claiming this is from God.

    They are still doing it, even today a purposely mistranslated word, that Christians mistranslated to make it Jesus, when it doesn't say Jesus.

    The Qur'an is correct again.

    https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Gospels-Comprehensive-Analysis-Four/dp/0825439043

    Jude 1:5 - JESUS saved Israel from Egypt? WHAT?



    Jude 1:5 says the lord in Greek, but the Christians are putting Jesus instead of lord, deliberately changing and twisting scriptures.

    Jude 1:5 Although you are fully aware of this, I want to remind you that after Jesus had delivered His people out of the land of Egypt, He destroyed those who did not believe.
    New Living Translation
    So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful.

    Jude 1:5 Lexicon: Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

    Transliteration: kurios
    Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
    Definition: lord, master
    Usage: lord, master, sir; the Lord.



    Exodus 12:51 And on that very day the LORD (Yah·weh) brought the Israelite's out of Egypt by their divisions. So you can't change it to Jesus when it actually says (Yah·weh) in Hebrew.


    Just because the Hebrews and Christians changed their scriptures doesn't mean there's isn't still truth in the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, because there is and Islam being in the scriptures proves this along with other truth, like Muhammad in the Bible and the Hajj to Mecca.
     
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    You are incorrect about the Baha'i Faith being in the Bible, there's nothing about it at all, the Bible states it teaches the religion of Islam and not the Baha'i faith.

    Also the term Christian, Jesus didn't tell his followers to call themselves Christians, it was their enemies that named them Christians and they adopted this name.

    Jesus actually taught Islam, submission to Gods will and not Christianity.

    Jesus didn't teach in Greek, he was a Hebrew he would've used his mother language Aramaic.
    This is what Jesus originally said, in his original language of Aramaic.

    Luke 6:40
    The disciple is not above his teacher: but every one that is perfect shall be as his teacher.

    Ein talmeed na’aleh ‘al rabbo; sheken kal adam she’ Mushlam yihyeh k’rabbo

    The words “(kal adam) means “all people; all of mankind, every human
    being”. Therefore, this is a direct teaching telling his people that in order to be like him,you have to be “Mushlam” like he was. The word “Mushlam” is also derived from the same root word as Muslim, Islam, Salaam, Shalom, etc.. Let’s go further into the meaning of this word by looking at 3 different sources:

    Oraham’s Dictionary of the Stabilized and Enriched Assyrian Language and English, by Alexander Joseph Oraham, 1941 ťƉŴƇƤƉ
    (Mashloome) = Convert; to change or turn from one belief or creed to
    another; to accept, or be converted to Moslemism.

    (Mishlmana) = Moslem; a Mussulman; an Orthodox Mohammedan.

    Syriac-English / Syriac-Arabic Dictionary, by Louis Costaz, 1986 Beirut
    (Mishalmana) = Perfect; complete

    Dictionary of the Targumim, Talmud, Midrashic Lit

    (Mishlam): Completion; End

    Finally, before Jesus departs from this Earth, he leaves behind something which can only be understood if read in his native tongue, Aramaic. In John 14:27, we read:

    Peace I leave with you, my (way of) peace I give unto you.

    Shlama shabaq ana lakoon, Shlama deelee yaheb ana lakoon

    Jesus seems to have established a way of life here, basically to surrender oneself to God. He tells his people that he gives them shlama, but his own way of shlama. What does this exactly mean?

    There are two commentaries of the word “bžáÝ’” in this verse which I came across that I would like to present. One of the comments comes from an Assyrian Bible scholar.

    whose native language was Aramaic, and the other is from a Bishopfrom the Church of the East. They say:

    “...the Peace which caused them to surrender themselves to God...” (New Testament Light, George M. Lamsa, Copyright © 1968 by Nina Shabaz, page 141)

    “Tranquility, that Peace which is under and in accordance to God’s Will
    .”(Enlightenment From Aramaic, Selected Passages From The Khaboris Manuscript, by Sadook De Mar Shimun,Archdeacon

    We also know that every prophet was regarded as “Muslim” because they have totally surrendered themselves to God. Remember what
    George Lamsa said in regards to John14:27:“...the Peace which caused them to surrender themselves to God...” (New Testament Light, George M. Lamsa, Copyright © 1968 by Nina Shabaz, page 141)

    The Torah and the prophetic books of the prophets agree and also say the religion of God is Islam.

    Job 22:21
    "Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.

    Isaiah 42:19
    Who is blind but my servant, and deaf like the messenger I send? Who is blind like the one in covenant with me, blind like the servant of the LORD?

    New American Standard Bible
    Who is blind but My servant, Or so deaf as My messenger whom I send? Who is so blind as he that is at peace with Me, Or so blind as the servant of the LORD?

    The word means Islam submission to Gods will.
    friend (1), made peace (6), make peace (1), makes (1), peace (4), peaceable (1).


    Lexicon Strong's Hebrew: 7999. שָׁלַם (shalam) -- amends

    Arabic [​IMG] be safe, secure, free from fault, II. make over, resign to, IV. resign or submit oneself, especially to God, whence participle Muslim, and infinitive Isl¹m properly submission to God; Assyrian šalâmu, be complete, unharmed, be paid; Aramaic

    be complete, safe, ᵑ7 peaceful; Old Aramaic שלם reward, repay (Pa; inproper name); compare Sabean סלם peace HomChr 124, Arabic [​IMG], also [​IMG] safety, security; Assyrian šulmu, welfare; Ethiopic [​IMG] Di322 security peace; Aramaic שְׁלָמָא, [​IMG] security, welfare, Old Aramaic שלם Lzb376, especially = submission, in proper name RSSem.79 f.; Bondi70 (after Brugsch), compare šarm¹, greet, do homage, as loan-word in Egyptian)


    to be in a covenant of peace, it actually means to be in a covenant of submission to Gods will, Islam.

    verb denominative be in covenant of peace;-

    Pu`al Participle מְשֻׁלָּם Isaiah 42:19
    one in covenant of peace (with ׳י; but ᵐ5 משְׁלָם their ruler, so CheHpt; Ges Hi Ew and others one resigned (submits) to God), read then מָשְׁלָם, compare √, Arabic IV.; Krochm Grä Marti מְשֻׁלָּחַי).

    1 make peace with, אֶת, Joshua 10:1,4; 2 Samuel 10:19 = 1 Chronicles 19:19 (עִם); עִם Deuteronomy 20:12; 1 Kings 22:45; with אֶל pregnantly Joshua 11:19 submitting unto. that is perfect,

    [שְׁלֵם] verb be complete (see Biblical Hebrew; Egyptian Aramaic שלם


    Forms and Transliterations

    məšallêm meshalleMim wayy išlām

    James 4:7
    Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    James 4:7 Lexicon: Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
    Strong's Greek: 5293. ὑποτάσσω (hupotassó) -- to place or rank under, to subject, mid. to obey
    Transliteration: hupotassó
    Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-ot-as'-so)
    I submit, put myself into subjection.submit self unto.

    The Old Testament says to submit to God to be at a covenant of wayy išlām

    1 make peace with, אֶת, Joshua 10:1,4; 2 Samuel 10:19 = 1 Chronicles 19:19 (עִם); עִם Deuteronomy 20:12; 1 Kings 22:45; with אֶל pregnantly Joshua 11:19 submitting unto. that is perfect,complete

    Jesus says
    Ein talmeed na’aleh ‘al rabbo; sheken kal adam she’ Mushlam yihyeh k’rabbo

    Be Muslim perfect to be at peace submission complete.


    Syriac-English / Syriac-Arabic Dictionary, by Louis Costaz, 1986 Beirut
    (Mishalmana) = Perfect; complete

    (Mishlmana) = Moslem; a Mussulman; an Orthodox Mohammedan.


    “...the Peace which caused them to surrender themselves to God...” (New Testament Light, George M. Lamsa, Copyright © 1968 by Nina Shabaz, page 141)

    shlama.
    “Tranquility, that Peace which is under and in accordance to God’s Will
    .”(Enlightenment From Aramaic, Selected Passages From The Khaboris Manuscript, by Sadook De Mar Shimun,Archdeacon

    James says
    Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
    hupotassó
    I submit, put myself into subjection.submit self unto.

    This is 100% proof the religion of God is Islam submission to Gods will.
     
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    In Arabic Bibles dated 1833 and 1858, some passages in Revelation that have 'Glory of God' in the text had 'Baha'u'llah' as the translation.

    Of course these translations were soon removed from circulation.

    This link - http://bahaistudies.net/kf/bibles.html

    Regards Tony
     
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    Similarities between Masjid al-Haram and the Jewish Temple


    The pilgrimage to Mecca is in the Bible

    Muhammad in the Bible, (Isaiah 60), Pilgrimage to Mecca..!

    Muhammad in the Bible, (Isaiah 60), Pilgrimage to Mecca..!

    Bakkah according to the Sunni and Shi'a scholars, is an ancient name for Mecca, the most holy ... In Arab tradition, Hagar runs back and forth between two elevated points seven times to search for help before sitting down in despair, ... Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

    The word Baca appears in The Bible in Psalms 84:6 as well as The Holy Quran in verse 3:96.
    http://www.islam101.com/hajj/baca.htm

    Return to Mecca with Avi Lipkin


    There are a number of interesting similarities between the two holiest sites in Islam and Judaism. Masjid al-Haram is the Great Mosque in Mecca, while the Jewish Temple once stood in Jerusalem where the al-Aqsa complex stands today.

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    About the Mosque and Temple
    • Al-Masjid al-Haram: The Sacred Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) is in the city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It is the largest mosque in the world and surrounds one of Islam’s holiest places, the Kaaba. Unlike other mosques which are segregated, men and women can worship at Al-Masjid Al-Haram together.
    • Beit ha-Mikdash: The Holy Temple (Beit ha-Mikdash) stood in the city of Jerusalem, Israel. Two successive Temples stood on the Temple Mount, the current site of the Dome of the Rock. It is the holiest place in the world for Jews. The complex was separated into areas where priests, leviim, women and non-Jews could all come to worship the Almighty.
    • Kaaba: The Kaaba is the most sacred point of the most sacred mosque in Islam. It is a square building which according to Islamic tradition, was first built by Abraham AS. Over time the Kaaba became a place of idolatry, until Muhammad SAW commanded that the idols be removed from this holy site.
    • Kodesh Ha-Kodashim: The Holy of Holies (Kodesh HaKodashim) was the most sacred part of the most sacred place in Judaism. It was a sanctuary within the Temple that housed the Covenant of the Ark. Only the High Priest was permitted to enter this area.
    • Al-Masjid al-Haram: The mosque can hold 900,000 people (currently being expanded to 2,000,000)
    • Beit ha-Mikdash: The Second Temple could hold 1,000,000 people (expanded to this capacity by King Herod to allow for the large numbers Jewish and non-Jewish pilgrims during chag)
    • Islam: Wherever a Muslim is in the world, they are obligated to face the Kaaba when praying.
    • Judaism: Wherever a Jew is in the world, they are obligated to face the Kodesh Ha-Kodashim when praying.
    • Al-Hajar Al-Aswad: The Black Stone (Al-Hajar Al-Aswad) is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba. It is a stone that is revered by Muslims and is said to have fallen from Heaven to show Adam and Eve where to build an altar. It was originally set intact into the Kaaba’s wall by Muhammad SAW.
    • Even Ha-Shetiya: The Foundation Stone (Even Ha-Shetiya) is the name of the rock that is believed by many to be the location of Holy of Holies. According to Jewish tradition it is the site where Abraham AS was commanded to sacrifice his son Isaac AS, it is the rock from which Earth was formed, it was close to th stone that God gathered the earth that was formed into Adam. It was on this rock that Adam, Cain, Abel, and Noah offered sacrifices to the Almighty. Underneath the Foundation Stone there is a cave. Muslim tradition teaches that Muhammad SAW ascended to heaven from this point. The stone currently lies under the Dome of the Rock. Five hundred years before the birth of Muhammad SAW, Rabbi Yishmael one of Judaism’s most important rabbis was recorded saying: “In the future, the sons of Ishmael (the Arabs) will do fifteen things in the Land of Israel … They will fence in the breaches of the walls of the Temple and construct a building on the site of the sanctuary”.
    The stone in the Bible.
    Genesis 28:18
    18And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19And he called the name of that place Bethel:"house of God,

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    Pilgrimage – Haj / Hag
    • Muslims: Once a year Muslims are commanded to make a pilgrimage (Hajj) to Mecca
    • Jews: Three times a year Jews were commanded to make a pilgrimage (Hag – hag ha-matzot, hag ha-sukkot, hag ha-shavuot) to Jerusalem
    • Muslims: Only those capable of traveling to Mecca are obligated to go
    • Jews: Only those capable of traveling to the Temple were obligated to go
    • Muslims: Purify the body with water before going on Hajj
    • Jews: Purify the body with water before going on Hag
    • Muslims: Circle the Kaaba seven times (Tawaf) anti-clockwise
    • Jews: Circle the Temple seven times anti-clockwise
    • Muslims: During Hajj pilgrims are obligated to offer certain animals as a qurban (sacrifice)
    • Jews: As part of the Hag pilgrims were obligated to offer certain animals as a korban (sacrifice)
    • Muslims: If a woman is in her menses she should refrain from circling the Kaaba
    • Jews: If a woman is in her menses she should refrain from ascending to the Temple Mount and circling the Temple
    • Muslims: It is preferable to enter the al-Haram complex barefoot
    • Jews: It is preferable to enter the Temple complex barefoot


    The Jewish Temples: The Second Temple
    by Shelley Cohney

    The Second Temple


    Similarities between Masjid al-Haram and the Jewish Temple | Judaism and Islam – comparing the similarities between Judaism and Islam

     
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    Seeing you have no clue or idea that mount Moriah is also called Calvary.
    Seeing you have no clue or idea where Calvary is located at, it's right there next to Jerusalem on mount Moriah/ Calvary,
    Which is only a stone throw away from Jerusalem.
    As you can see by the picture, Mount Calvary/Moriah is located right next to Jerusalem.
    Google Image Result for https://www.bible-history.com/jerusalem/hill_of_calvary.jpg
     
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    Allah in the Jewish Bible

    By Dennis Giron

    "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is One LORD:" (Deuteronomy 6:4)

    Clarifying the linguistic connections between the Names Allah and Elohim.
    First we see the identical prononciation in Scripture:

    The word for God in Genesis 1:1 is elohim, which is essentially a plural form of a more basic root-Hebrew word for God, [​IMG] (eloh).

    Furthermore, the Arabic translation of the Jewish Bible uses the name "Allah" to refer to God in Genesis 1:1

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    In addition to the etymological connection based on sound, we also discover the connections of the two Names based on roots, spelling, meaning, and geography.

    If one were to find the word [​IMG] (eloh) (alef-lamed-heh) in an inscription written in paleo-hebrew, aramaic, or some sort of Nabatean script, it could be pronounced numerous ways without the diacritical marks to guide the reader.

    When treated as a verb root, this letter combination (proncounced alah) is the root for the verb "to swear" or "to take an oath," as well as the verb "to deify" or "to worship"

    [look up alef-lamed-heh (ALH) in Milon Ben-Y'hudaah, Ivri-Angli (Ben Yehuda's Hebrew-English Dictionary)]. The root itself finds its origin with an older root, el, which means God, deity, power, strength..

    So, one of the basic Hebrew words for God, [​IMG] (eloh), can easily be pronounced alah without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, the Aramaic word for God, according to the Lexicon offered at http://pe****ta.org, is [​IMG] (alah).

    This word, in the standard script ([​IMG]), or the Estrangela script ([​IMG]), is spelled alap-lamad-heh (ALH), which are the exact corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh.

    The Aramaic is closely related to the more ancient root word for God, eel (according to Robert Oshana's on-line introduction to basic Assyrian Aramaic at www.learnassyrian.com).

    The Arabic word for God, Allah, is spelled in a very similar way, and is remotely related to the more generic word for deity, ilah. We're quickly starting to notice the obvious linguistic and etymological connections between the respective words for God in these closely related Semitic languages (e.g. Allah, Alah, and Eloh being related to Ilah, Eel, and El, respectively).

    Let me make it more clear....

    1. We have made the connection in terms of spelling, as all these words are spelled similar to one another.
    2. The geographic connection is there, as these respective languages originate in regions that are very close to one another.
    3. The roots are also basically the same.
    4. The meanings are essentially the same.
    In conclusion, the ancient Semitic names for God (Allah and Elohim) are actually the same.

    Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words
    https://www.amazon.com/Vines-Complete-Expository-Dictionary-Testament/dp/078526020X
    Vines says the root word for eloah a Allah is exactly the same.
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    Word Number: 904
    Meaning: God
    Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH
    (Western) AaLoH
    Part of Speech: Noun
    Gender: Masculine
    Person:
    Number: Singular
    State: Absolute
    Tense:
    Form:
    Suffix Gender:
    Suffix Person:
    Suffix Number: Singular
    Lexeme Form:

    Concordance
    1Corinthians - 8:4
    Ephesians - 2:12
    2Thessalonians - 2:4
    Lexicon
    Word: 0hl0
    Lexeme: 0hl0
    Root: hl0
    Word Number: 905
    Meaning: God
    Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaHaA
    (Western) AaLoHoA
    Part of Speech: Noun

    Smith’s Bible Dictionary
    Smith Bible Dictionary confirms Allah is the same as Eloah.
    “God ” means good Smiths Bible Dictionary
    Smith's Bible Dictionary
    God : Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures two chief names are used for the one true divine Being--ELOHIM, commonly translated God in our version, and JEHOVAH, translated Lord . Elohim is the plural of Eloah (in Arabic Allah); it is often used in the short form EL (a word signifying strength , as in EL-SHADDAI, God Almighty, the name by which God was specially known to the patriarchs. (Genesis 17:1; 28:3; Exodus 6:3) The etymology is uncertain, but it is generally agreed that the primary idea is that of strength, power of effect , and that it properly describes God in that character in which he is exhibited to all men in his works, as the creator, sustainer and supreme governor of the world. The plural form of Elohim has given rise to much discussion. The fanciful idea that it referred to the trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty , or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God. Jehovah denotes specifically the one true God, whose people the Jews were, and who made them the guardians of his truth. The name is never applied to a false god, nor to any other being except one, the ANGEL-JEHOVAH who is thereby marked as one with God, and who appears again in the New Covenant as "God manifested in the flesh." Thus much is clear; but all else is beset with difficulties. At a time too early to be traced, the Jews abstained from pronouncing the name, for fear of its irreverent use. The custom is said to have been founded on a strained interpretation of (Leviticus 24:16) and the phrase there used, "THE NAME" (Shema), is substituted by the rabbis for the unutterable word. In reading the Scriptures they substituted for it the word ADONAI (Lord), from the translation of which by Kurios in the LXX., followed by the Vulgate, which uses Dominus , we have the LORD of our version. The substitution of the word Lord is most unhappy, for it in no way represents the meaning of the sacred name. The key to the meaning of the name is unquestionably given in God's revelation of himself to Moses by the phrase "I AM THAT I AM," (Exodus 3:14; 6:3) We must connect the name Jehovah with the Hebrew substantive verb to be , with the inference that it expresses the essential, eternal, unchangeable being of Jehovah. But more, it is not the expression only, or chiefly, of an absolute truth: it is a practical revelation of God, in his essential, unchangeable relation to this chosen people, the basis of his covenant.
    Rabbi Tovia Singer confirms Allah is the God of the Hebrew scriptures and Christian scriptures.
    Why Muslim Call God Allah Rabbi Tovia Singer, it's the same word as God, Eloah in Hebrew Rabbi Tovia Singer.


    The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God". The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for "God" than "Allah".
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiZnYHZ5d_eAhUQAXwKHZopAnIQFjACegQIBRAK&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah&usg=AOvVaw3Dd9-Z46ZLyzEMUQVj23yb

    Older Bible said in Genesis Gods name is alah.

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    The Lamsa Bible ( translated from Aramaic) by George M Lamsa.

    Remember the former things of old: for I am Allah, and there is no other god; and there is none like me

    Brasheet bara Allaha eet shm aya wa eet ar’a

    This is Aramaic, not Arabic, this is Jesus language Aramaic, and we see that Allah was the originator of creation. He was mentioned since the very beginning of scripture. Allah has also declared himself in Isaiah 46:9 that he is Allah and there’s no one else.


    Jesus called God Almighty Allaha in aramaic and alef lamed lamed hey is the root word for God in Aramaic and it's the same root word, just like Arabic and Hebrew.


    alef lamed lamed hey Arabic Allah

    alef lamed hey alah or eloah Hebrew

    All of these words for God begin with either EL or AL, this is because in proto-Semitic (an ancient language which all Semitic languages, such as Arabic and Hebrew, evolved from) the word for God was AL or EL, Abraham PBUH spoke proto-Semitic and he called God "El shaddai", "El" here meaning God and "shaddai" meaning mountain, so basically he called God "God of the mountain"

    Allah is what every prophet called God including Jesus.

    There's more proof but this should be enough.
     
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    Jesus is one Lord, The Almighty God.
     
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    So now confirmed, it is outside the Old Walls of Jerusalem. Thus I guess you are now saying a little bit outside is ok.

    So given modern transport and the size of the new city, I guess Haifa is only a little way away to.

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    But it is not IN Jerusalem. :oops:
     
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    If to what you say to be right, then explain exactly where is Calvary/ mount Moriah is located at if not at Jerusalem.

    Now here's pictures of Calvary/ mount Moriah at Jerusalem. Just click on the site below, the pictures plainly shows Calvary/ mount Moriah right at Jerusalem.

    Google Image Result for https://www.bible-history.com/jerusalem/hill_of_calvary.jpg
     
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