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Featured Does the Bible mention Islam?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by adrian009, Nov 5, 2018.

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  1. adrian009

    adrian009 Well-Known Member

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    You would think that if a book such as the Bible has significant prophetic content it would mention Islam if it were a true religion from G-d. Even if it were a false religion, wouldn't it get a mention? Lets consider the facts that I hope we can all agree on. The Bible was written by multiple authors over a one thousand year period give or take a few centuries. We have a span of history going back to Adam (if he really existed) and ending with the book of revelation. Over the last 1,900 years since the book of Revelations was written we have the emergence of two major world religions, Christianity and Islam. Research has indicated the number of Muslims in the world is set to exceed the number of Christians in about 50 years.

    Why Muslims are the world’s fastest-growing religious group

    So if the Tanakh and New Testament are truly prophetic and from G-d why wouldn't these books mention other religions from G-d? Both Islam and Christianity are religions from G-d are they not?

    Of course we probably won't agree on 'facts'. Perhaps we won't agree on anything and the best we can do is agree to disagree. But in the interim this is in the religious debates section. So is Islam mentioned in the bible? Why or why not?
     
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  2. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Stands to logical reason that they would be mentioned. I see personally see that they are mentioned.

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    I've never seen a reference to Islam in the Bible and I've read most of it.
     
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    As far as I am aware the only references might be the cautions about false prophets
     
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    That only follows if you adhere to one of the supersession faiths in the first place...

    The Christian and Islamic attempts at retrofitting prophecies into the preceding texts aren't exactly persuasive on their own merits.
     
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  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Personally there is a lot in the Bible told in Metephor which is meant for a specific audience.

    To be that specific audience, means we must accept the invitations also given in the same books.

    I always admire people that can read and interpretate the Metephor, as it takes a purity of heart.

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    Nor have I. Then again I've never seen the word Christianity specifically mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. Does that mean the Hebrew Bible doesn't mention Christianity?
     
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    Why is there nothing about climate change in any of the religious scriptures?
     
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  9. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I see it coming from the other direction.

    If Christianity and Islam are of God, then how did we miss the references? It means we are not reading the Metephor correctly.

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    There could be.

    How much reading of those scriptures have you done to determine if there is, or is not?

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    Of course there is.

    Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
     
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    Sounds like something the Christian apologetics love to promote. I suppose some mention is better than no mention. Wasn't it Oscar Wilde who said there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about!
     
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    If there had been, surely it would have been widely discussed on this forum.;)
     
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    I think that a lot would be explicitly mentioned if the Bible were prophetic.
    Personally, I don't think that it is. The exception being the prophets during the Iron Age who were delivering messages to the people of Israel that they believed were from their God. These messages were only for Israel IMO, and not intended to be interpreted in the ways that later religions have done (though perhaps a Jewish person will correct me).

    I have a lot of respect for Judaism, and it is quite strange to see so many non-Jews explaining Jewish people's own scriptures to them. I would imagine that it gets frustrating at times.
     
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    No. They can still be words of god without needing to refer to each other. Why would any abrahamic religion need to have prophecies and refer to by the former in all three books if gods word is 1. In you and 2. Eternal?

    Why does god need to have books connect to each other and with sequels in order to be his words?

    Islam is a totally different religion than christianity. In what context is Muhammad and his views on god mirror that of christ? (Not abstract like love and grace).

    I mean I'm no scholar, muslim, christian, nor Jew but, like any other topic, there has to be some logic between accepting thing without needing to connect them together, right?

    Anyone can read into any sacred book. No. The bible doesn't teach of Islam. A lot of Islam's teachings aren't even the same as the bible. They both say they are from god but why does finding reference in each other's books important to confirm the source of its writings?
     
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    It then appears we can not read metephor. I have read works from people that could, but they are not here to ask now.

    We will have to wing it
    :hugehug:
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    Ha ha... that is a stretch. But it is a good start. I suspect people will want to see the words 'climate change' so they can google them.

    :)

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    I guess what gives me pause, @adrian009 is the fact that there are virtually no Christian scholars who support this line of thinking. Are there any Christian scholars who see merit in this Muslim perspective? It is little surprise that Muslims would hallucinate Muhammad into texts, but I'm simply unaware of any reputable Christian (or Jewish) scholars agreeing with the assertion.

    @Tumah I am wrong on this (that it's pretty much a Muslim only belief (promoted by some Bahai's too)) who see Muhammad mentioned in the Bible?
     
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    Then again.

    That passage contains many changes, put those changes together in one event and then we have a day of great change, this day. Climate inclusive!

    :hugehug:

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    I suspect for most Christians and Muslims, prophecy is only a small part. Most prophecies tend to be in symbolic or allegorical language. They can therefore be quite vague and probably refer more to general principles than specific events. However for anyone who believes in the Tanakh or New testament, they are there for a reason.
     
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