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Featured Does the Bible Contradict Itself ?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Neuropteron, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    You just showed me something new here.

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    I believe, but I am not sure (I will research it), perhaps different manuscripts may have been used by translators, and one or more of those manuscripts may have contained a writing error in the age.
    Various translations differ here. Some say 22. Some say 42.
    The obvious correction is 22.

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    The name Cainan appears in genealogical lists in present copies of the Greek Septuagint, such as the Alexandrine Manuscript of the fifth century C.E. (Ge 10:24; 11:12, 13; 1Ch 1:18 but not 1Ch 1:24), although it is not found in extant Hebrew manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures. The name Cainan is also missing at Luke 3:36 in two Bible manuscripts (Papyrus Bodmer 14, 15, of c. 200 C.E.; Codex Bezae, of the fifth century C.E.). This omission is in harmony with the Masoretic text at Genesis 10:24; 11:12, 15; and 1 Chronicles 1:18, according to which Shelah, not Cainan, is the son of Arpachshad.

    Most scholars take this to be a copyist’s error. In the Hebrew Scriptures, “Cainan” is not found in this relative position in the genealogical listings in the Hebrew or the Samaritan texts, nor is it in any of the Targums or versions except the Greek Septuagint. And it does not seem that it was even in the earlier copies of the Septuagint, because Josephus, who usually follows the Septuagint, lists Seles (Shelah) next as the son of Arphaxades (Arpachshad). (Jewish Antiquities, I, 146 [vi, 4]) Early writers Irenaeus, Africanus, Eusebius, and Jerome rejected the second “Cainan” in copies of Luke’s account as an interpolation.

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    Were they not two animals, and Mathew gave more detail.
    I didn't research it, What a small insignificant cherry to pick at.

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    Many scholars think that the original reading of 2 Samuel 21:19 corresponded to 1 Chronicles 20:5, the differences in the two texts having arisen through scribal error.

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    It's already admitted that there are some copying errors - small insignificant cherries. How does that affect the overwhelming evidence that it is authentic though - big juicy delicious cherries?
    :)
     
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    At least you own up to some of the errors, and yes most of them are rather insignificant. But what evidence is there that it is authentic? I am betting by the same standards Spiderman is authentic.
     
  3. nPeace

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    We always did admit that they were copyist errors. You didn't go to the space station at any time did you?
    The Bible is seen to be authentic from various evidences.
    Historical
    Harmony and accuracy
    Prophetically
    Scientifically
    Practically

    Hey look! Spiderman!
     
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    Actually, not scientifically and historically, and harmony, accuracy, Prophetically and practically is for the subjective view of believers perspective only.
     
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    You are saying you disagree that it is historically accurate?
     
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    Yes. For openers; Genesis Creation accounts, Adam and Eve, Noah and the flood, and Exodus are not historically accurate accounts.
     
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    Um. You are being sarcastic right?
     
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    I'm confused. Yes it is historically accurate, or No it is not historically accurate?
     
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    It is not historically accurate
     
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    More piny cherries?
    If I spent the amount of time you guys go through the Bible looking for faults, I'd be a spiritual Goliath.
     
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    Okay. So could you point out the inaccuracies in this post please.
     
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    Yes they compared manuscripts for which there are many. in order to determine errors, and today it is possible to use Bible transfusions in the same way.
    If we really want to study seriously, having a number of Bible transfusions is handy.
     
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    I don't know who "we" is but there are many that do not admit even that.

    You fail automatically when you refer to your own refuted posts. The problem is that the Bible is not historically accurate. Genesis and Exodus are myth and later books may have found cities with the same names, but that is about it for the earliest part of the Bible. By those standards Spiderman is historically accurate.

    Again you fail by linking your own refuted source. Why not try to do better next time? See if you can find a valid source, that excludes apologetics sources, that supports you.

    And we are three for three, worse yet you immediately fail by referring to one of the worse failed prophecies in the entire Bible. Tyre was to be wiped clean, never to be inhabited again. You should tell that to the people that live there.

    ROFL! Scientifically the Bible fails abysmally. There was no Adam and Eve, no tower of Babel, no flood of Noah. Having livestock mate in front of striped sticks does not affect the color of offspring. The Bible only describes the Earth as being flat, fixed in space, and the center of the universe. Have you even read the book?

    Practically? In what way? And yes, you at least owned up to your Spiderman errror. Why even post historically knowing how badly you failed?
     
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    No, only children can take the Noah's ark story seriously.
     
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    Thank you. I think you meant longer than 20 years though. Right?
     
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    The Genesis account of Creation does not remotely fit the science, nor the time line in Genesis.

    Noah's Arc and the world flood are historically impossible.

    The numbers of Jews and the description described to take place in the exodus do not remotely fit the historical evidence.
     
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    Some dogs just have no bite. They are all bark.
    I hate to hear them. Especially at night. Groan.
     
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    Look how your ego just made you insult so many well educated scientists, physicians, lawyers, etc. Shame.
     
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    Once again you described yourself. Last time you supposedly wanted to learn you ended up running away since you could not even ask questions properly. Would you care to try again?

    How about the Noah's Ark myth? That one is much easier to understand than evolution. In fact historically we knew that the Earth was hundreds of millions of years old at least long before Darwin and the Beagle.
     
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    There are no well meaning scientists that believe the ark myth. Only extremely self delusion ones or dishonest ones believe that. I don't mind insulting lawyers, though I doubt very many believe that myth either.
     
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