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Does sex have a purpose?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Sunstone, Sep 25, 2004.

  1. Feathers in Hair

    Feathers in Hair World's Tallest Hobbit

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    *sad smile* Because I was trying to like you, Paraprakrti. I know this probably means little or nothing to you, but it matters to me. I try to see the good in everyone, and I was foolish to think I could make everyone get along by
    prancing around like the little idiot clown I am. I dislike conflict (even in forum environments, like this one), and it makes me cry when someone belittles me, or another person. My motivation, since I don't think I ever advocated one way or the other, in persisting to talk about it, was trying to make peace. (For the record? I dislike sex, personally, and am not sure if I could be motivated to do it even for procreative reasons.)

    May you be blessed, Paraprakrti. I am sure there is much good in you, I'm just having difficulty seeing it right now.
     
  2. Paraprakrti

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    This is your whimsy. Sex in moderation means for begetting and raising a child. That is pure love. Homosex is not pure love, it is pure lust.


    Love is in connection with the reservoir of love, aka: God. Any so-called love that ignores that reservoir is a perverted reflection of that love, aka: lust. God prescribes that householders engage in sex for the purpose of family life. Either "religion" will mandate and people will be self-controlled and thus peaceful, or we will mandate it by our own foolish whims and suffer. The suffering is already there, I shouldn't even have to mention it.


    God prescribes for us to have sex for the purpose of procreation. He knows we want peace and happiness and this is the way to attain it, not by material indulgement.


    That is okay, you are not Krsna. Lord Siva drank an ocean of poison. So now you go imitate Him. I'll make it easier for you: Just drink a cup of poison.
     
  3. Paraprakrti

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    You don't see good because people are not getting along with each other; because what I am saying is not pleasing to the ears (or rather in this case, eyes) of those who are indulged in sexual gratification.

    But what is the value of getting along to suffer?

    Do you understand when, as a child, a parent may chastise you in order to teach you something? So that may not be getting along at that moment, but it is getting along in the long run.

    I doubt that many people here, (if at all), are going to accept what I am saying. The good in it outweighs the good in being attached to sexual gratification. People are so clinged to sexual gratification, though, that they will fight against anything that offends it. No rationality is needed.
    And now I am the bad guy. This would be almost funny if it wasn't so sad. A clear sense of rationality can understand tha value of restricting sexual gratification. But people sacrifice this understanding due to lustful attachments. That is all there is to it. We are bound to not get along. Soetimes the doctor restricts the patients eatables. And if we decide to deviate from that prescribed method, then we suffer. I'm the bad guy cuz we shouldn't always eat cake. Whatever.
     
  4. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Pardon me while I reflect on the error of my ways - Okay - now I feel better. I didn't realize that Father Par was just trying to help. For a moment there, I thought he was just trying to ram his belief system down our throat, and calling us ignorant fools for not agreeing with his position.

    Feathers -
    I respect the fact that you didn't want to hurt his feelings - and it was a noble effort on your part to try to understand his position. The problem lies in the fact that he is not debating anything. He does not state that "In my opinion" or "As I see it" because he doesn't care what the rest of us think or believe. He is simply using the forum to state what his limited view of the world is - and if that causes anyone else to be uncomfortable, so be it. Consider him the Buddhists' version of Jimmy Swaggart or Jerry Falwell - and treat him as such.

    TVOR
     
  5. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    What if we make spirituality it's #1 importance?

    Let's get spiritual, baby! Whacha!
     
  6. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Wow, that left a sour taste in my mouth. No, I mean literally. I literally tasted something sour.

    Words fail me. Thanks for saying that I can never have sex with the person I love out of loving them.. only out of lusting after them.
     
  7. Sunstone

    Sunstone De Diablo Del Fora
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    Are you speaking from experience?

    In fact, is anything you're saying based on your own experience? Or is it all rather hypothetical?
     
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  8. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Someone posting on this thread has some serious issues - I mean, to the point that help should be sought.

    TVOR
     
  9. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Actually, several people posting here probably do. ;)

    (Lighten the mood any?)
     
  10. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason Doctor of Thinkology

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    Great point Jensa. Truth be told, we all do. Kinda makes me sad to think I'm no better than him in some ways. :(

    TVOR
     
  11. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Whoa, I just now noticed that. Am I the only one seeing that as incredibly rude and tactless?
     
  12. Ceridwen018

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    *raises hand*

    Oh well...maybe where he comes from, poison means apple juice.....
     
  13. Paraprakrti

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    Here we go...

    As soon as I try to make an analogy that is perhaps identifiable someone backfires with sarcasm. That's nice.
     
  14. Paraprakrti

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    Sex in itself is not spiritual. But sex as a means of procreating and properly raising a child can be spiritual. It is not absolutely necessary that one has sex at all. But it is understandable that people desire sex, so the facility is given in married life and for the reason of starting a family. Plus, to raise a child to be mindful of God is spiritual. If we were to make this sex's #1 importance then there would be less unwanted population and no question of abortion. Children would be taught better values, seeing that sex is not predominant in society. Of course, this is all ideal. I don't expect society as a whole to do a complete 180. A few individuals may understand the value of what I am saying. Is there anyone out there? *echoes*


    To Pah:

    Worshipping the genitals in deity form is not spirituality. If it is, then we can just say everything is spirituality.
     
  15. Paraprakrti

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    Love is often defined relative to our own whimsy. We decide when we are in love. That is understandable. What I am speaking of herein is a standard of what love is. A standard that is often higher than how most people perceive the concept. Now, my reason for posting that was in a religious context because it was in reply to Gerani and we had been discussing Sastra. Nevertheless, I can understand that your propensity to feel love (whether for a member of the opposite or the same sex) is legit. Lust is only a perverted reflection of love. That loving propensity is what is driving the feeling, but the feeling itself is being misguided by some degree of material pleasure, either dealing with the gross body or the subtle mind and emotions. So I do not doubt that you have love, Jensa. But love really has nothing to do with the act of sexual gratification. That applies to homosex as well as heterosex.
     
  16. Sunstone

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    I can understand the point that sex evolved as a means of procreation, but I have a great deal of difficulty with the claim that, because sex evolved as a means of procreation, procreation is its sole legitimizing purpose. To assert that seems to be equivalent to asserting that we are or ought to be completely determined by our biology. And I'm not ready to buy into that one.
     
  17. Paraprakrti

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    Sex purely for gratification is lust, homosex or heterosex. I mentioned it for homosex because Gerani mentioned gays. I have experience of sexual gratification, and that is all that matters. I even have experience of an emotional connection through the sexual act. Nevertheless, I still understand the value of love and when it is misapplied in the form of lust.
     
  18. Paraprakrti

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    I think you are assuming that I am implying that all pleasure is wrong. I am not saying or implying that. The desire to feel pleasure is intrinsic to our nature. But it should be obvious that that pleasure, when taken through material things, results in some degree of suffering. It is not a surprise when I look around and see people trying to have the pleasure while simultaneously trying to avoid the pain. What people are looking for is another type of pleasure. We can call it "spiritual pleasure". If you are one that is inclined to seek pleasure free from pain and then turn around and deny the existence of anything transcendental, then be happy suffering. What more can you do? But for those who have some tinge of faith in a pure concept of pleasure, then perhaps you should consider these things carefully.
     
  19. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Yea, because I just up and thought, "Hey, wouldn't it be nice to decide I'm in love with someone who will cause my family to condemn and shun me, because that's fun. Oh yea, and I don't want to ever be able to go in public without being stared at. That's loads of fun." Yea, perfectly logical reason to decide to be in love with someone.

    It has plenty to do with it. Not always, but in stable relationships it does.
     
  20. Paraprakrti

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    All BS aside, I'll assume that person is me...

    What kind of help do you prescribe?
     
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