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Featured Does Science create any facts?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Science just discovers them; they exist already in nature created by God. Right?

    Please
     
  2. Kirran

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    Real talk fam. Straight up.
     
  3. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    How can so much nonsense be packed into a single, short statement?
     
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  4. Nakosis

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    I create facts, I don't see why scientists couldn't.
    Sometimes it's necessary to create standards. Like in manufacturing, all "wigets" have to pass certain standards. That they have to pass those standards becomes a fact.

    Really depends on the context. Scientists do both, create some facts and discover others.

    Just to add, Ann Rand distinguishes the difference as being metaphysical facts versus man made facts.

    Metaphysical facts are discovered. These would exist whether man was present or not.

    OTOH it's a fact there are 50 states in the US. That's something man created. We could have divided up the US into a different number of states.

    So science could create "man made facts" but discovers "metaphysical" facts.
     
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  5. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Your message above and how it got here is a by-product of science, and I don't think God created my computer or my messages.
     
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  6. Kirran

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    I do!
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Science confirms and identifies what is factual. There's no such thing as creating fact.
     
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    leibowde84 Veteran Member

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    Science discovers aspects of reality. We currently have no evidence that verifies God was responsible for creating anything, though. So, that part of your statement is not known to be accurate.
     
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  9. Bob the Unbeliever

    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    Depends on what you mean by "fact" here.

    Does a never-before-seen painting, created by a very talented artist count as the artist creating the fact of the painting? No need for a god in that example-- the artist creates the painting without magic.
     
  10. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    No. Why would you think so?

    There is no reason to presume a God.
     
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  11. YmirGF

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    Science does not create facts as that job is already taken by religion that creates "facts" wherever it needs to bolster the narrative de jour.
     
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  12. RedDragon94

    RedDragon94 Feeling Cynical

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    Yes. :)
    Not necessarily. Because of the Theory of Evolution there's no reason for one to assume that anything was created by a personal God.
     
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  13. Revoltingest

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    Looking at it thataway, it takes engineers to convert their
    discoveries into facts, eg, highway fatality statistics..
     
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  14. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Not particularly for that reason, IMO.
     
  15. RedDragon94

    RedDragon94 Feeling Cynical

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    No, I was just saying there are those who believe God created the world via evolution and those who believe evolution to be the self-driving force behind it all.
     
  16. SomeRandom

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    How does one create a fact?
     
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    Dunno! But I reckon I'll get the hang of it with another couple of weeks on RF. :D
     
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  18. Kelly of the Phoenix

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    In Genesis, God only really creates Light via talking. The rest is already there in some sort of Chaos. He just fiddles with it until you start seeing individual stuff and not just "matter soup". So, if you want to be real nitpicky, God didn't create everything in nature either.
     
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  19. Simurgh

    Simurgh Atheist Triple Goddess

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    man created gods.........how's that for a fact?
     
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  20. miodrag

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    What are facts? If facts = reality, then science does not create it. Fact is a mental concept of reality. Science does not make that mental concept either.

    Science is also not about discovering facts. Epistemology explains that science does not deal with the Truth, nor the truth, and the least of all with facts. Science explains and predicts phenomena, and that has nothing to do with truth whatsoever. Exception is mathematics, but the concept of truth there has a different meaning.

    God does not create facts. If God is eternal, then that is an eternal fact, which was never created.
     
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