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does reliogion allow you to believe in hauntings

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
In my post I was serious, I would run out of the house, leave it until I got some help. Really go to a priest or someone who does an exorcism. There are people you can call that will come in and check on paranormal activity just for learning purposes. I don't know your financial situation you might not be able to move, but if at all possible I would stay somewhere else until I got some help, particulary if it is effecting the children. Or you stay and make the best out of the situation which doesn't sound too promising.
 

blackout

Violet.
If you can't handle the situation calmly yourself,
(without fear)
then I see nothing to do but call someone in.

Me myself, I would not call in a "religious".
(in any case)
I would call in an experienced medium or the like.
(one with a good standing reputation)
But that's just me.

You need to call in whoever YOU trust to do the job.
After all it is your house... and your reality.
 
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Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Honestly,

If it is scaring your children, it is a serious issue. I would talk to the priest of the local parish and implore him for an investigation, leading to, if nessecary, an exorcism.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
Or if you don't like the church slant, I'm sure you can find a person to do some kind of a cleansing ritual (perhaps pagan, wiccan etc)
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
i have had a haunting in my home since i moved into it. it started very slow with just noises like banging on walls and footsteps then it got worse to the point things started moving around and me and my boys both experienced appericians (i dont know if i spelled that right sorry) anyway i was laying down and a full blown figkure was above me transparent and the lenght of my bed my son heard growlliong outside his door i told him it was probably the dog but the wierd thing is when he got on the bus my bedroom door was closed i heard the same thing it was very low in tone i opened the door looking for a dog nope no dog chilly thats all i got to say. by the failth i was raised with this stuff shouldnt really be happening however there are sever cases and they are exorcised i could fill this entire page with stuff that happened. a ladsy died there before we moved in we call scoop shuvel lady she wasnt found til 2 weeks latter and my dad found her after a bad smell coming from the house this house was transford, ever since i got multiple sclerosis my ablilbites to sense things and dreams thing that happened and sense stuff about people history or present have gotten extremly keener i dont know why it started in 5th grade i tried to deny it but can not no longer my name is michelle any comment. maybe it the changes in the brain i dont know i am educated i graduated from a university and was a registered nurse for 10 years saving lives and worked in trauma were that keener since came in very helpful,

Greetings Michelle, and welcome to RF.
The first things I sense from your opening post (The OP) are an inordinate amount of confusion and fear. The fear may be what is causing this impression of confusion, although the confusion could be the result of some external agent that is interfering with your communicative abilities, such as medications or related things.

You say this is an accelerating experience that it is getting more pronounced with the passage of time and there is an important reason for this. One reason could be as simple as the possibility that you (and your family) are focusing more and more on it. My understanding of this type of phenomena is that it dependant on the amount of attention given to it. I do understand that it might be quite difficult to ignore, but think of it like a needy child that is constantly seeking attention. The more attention you give it, the more attention it will demand.


What is slightly disturbing is that children are also picking up on this phenomenon. It is safe to conclude that you are all somewhat “sensitive” to this kind of thing and so that being the case I have a suggestion. The suggestion is contingent though on the emotional impact this is having on all three of you. If you are all experiencing varying levels of fear towards this unusual phenomenon then you must try to alleviate that fear. That might sound abysmally silly or obvious, but that is the first step. You know something is there, so the trick is how you all are going to deal with it.

Unlike some other writers here, I would not advise that you call in someone to investigate, (at least not right away), as doing so will simply reinforce your feelings of powerlessness to deal with it. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that getting your 13 year old “on side” is critical.

For example, try to personalize it. It is reasonable to assume that you famous “scoop shovel lady” is somehow involved. If this is what you suspect or believe then humanize her by calling her by her first name. When you hear the growling sound that reminds you of a dog don’t be afraid or get spooked, pun intended, but rather treats it like a wary stray that might happen into your yard. You might want to try being nice to it, such as verbally greeting it exactly like you would a “real” dog.

In both cases, you are neutralizing your fear which makes the whole experience more manageable and you will also slowly begin to change your attitudes towards these things. In theory they will become less intrusive, because you are treating them nicely, with respect and they should, in time, recognize this and return the favor.

The only reason I am recommending this approach is because:

1. You are seriously concerned about this enough to ask for help
2. You believe in ghosts and related phenomena
3. Your current approach isn’t working too well
4. You believe that you just might be able to figure out how to co-exist
5. You appear to be open to ideas.

I hope this helps. If anyone else has any advice that doesn’t involved getting a medium, a priest or seeing a shrink, I’d love to hear your ideas.
 
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blackout

Violet.
Greetings Michelle, and welcome to RF.
The first things I sense from your opening post (The OP) are an inordinate amount of confusion and fear. The fear may be what is causing this impression of confusion, although the confusion could be the result of some external agent that is interfering with your communicative abilities, such as medications or related things.

You say this is an accelerating experience that it is getting more pronounced with the passage of time and there is an important reason for this. One reason could be as simple as the possibility that you (and your family) are focusing more and more on it. My understanding of this type of phenomena is that it dependant on the amount of attention given to it. I do understand that it might be quite difficult to ignore, but think of it like a needy child that is constantly seeking attention. The more attention you give it, the more attention it will demand.


What is slightly disturbing is that children are also picking up on this phenomenon. It is safe to conclude that you are all somewhat “sensitive” to this kind of thing and so that being the case I have a suggestion. The suggestion is contingent though on the emotional impact this is having on all three of you. If you are all experiencing varying levels of fear towards this unusual phenomenon then you must try to alleviate that fear. That might sound abysmally silly or obvious, but that is the first step. You know something is there, so the trick is how you all are going to deal with it.

Unlike some other writers here, I would not advise that you call in someone to investigate as doing so will simply reinforce your feelings of powerlessness to deal with it. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that getting your 13 year old “on side” is critical. For example, personalize it. It is reasonable to assume that you famous “scoop shovel lady” is somehow involved. If this is what you suspect or believe then humanize here by calling her by her first name.

When you hear the growling sound that reminds you of a dog don’t be afraid or get spooked, pun intended, but rather treats it like a wary stray that might happen into your yard. You might want to try being nice to it, such as verbally greeting it exactly like you would a “real” dog.

In both cases, you are neutralizing your fear which makes the whole experience more manageable and you will also slowly begin to change your attitudes towards these things. In theory they will become less intrusive, because you are treating them nicely, with respect and they should, in time, recognize this and return the favor.

The only reason I am recommending this approach is because:

1. You are seriously concerned about this enough to ask for help
2. You believe in ghosts and related phenomena
3. Your current approach isn’t working too well
4. You believe that you just might be able to figure out how to co-exist
5. You appear to be open to ideas.

I hope this helps. If anyone else has any advice that doesn’t involved getting a medium, a priest or seeing a shrink, I’d love to hear your ideas.

I absolutely agree with everything you have suggested here Paul,
and said the same thing myself, in my first post,
without going into all the excellent detail you offered here.

I also said that if Michelle CANNOT handle the situation herself,
without fear... then she would probably have to call someone in.
But this would be only my secondary suggestion.

My reason also for recommending a calm professional medium,
was not just for the sake of the "entities" ...
but for the sake of bringing a state of calm into Michelles home,
and to HERSELF and her sons. Very very important.
You cannot handle the situation from a state of fear.

Now I would NOT recommend a religious for this reason.
A religious is most likely going to elevate the state of fear
by treating/assuming the entity
(if there is found to be one by said religious)
as if it were some evil demonic being....
that is so powerful it can only be rid (cast out) by a (christian) priest/exorcist.

Thus taking away ALL of Michelle & her sons's personal empowerment
in the situation. It is THEIR home, their life. How can they not be involved?

Anyways... excellent post YmirGF
 
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blackout

Violet.
In any case Michelle...

If you do need to call someone in to help you,
you should choose someone who is going to help YOU resolve the situation,
not try to "do it for you".

You need to be empowered to "sweep" out the situation without fear.

Once your "professional" leaves...
there you are, alone in your house again.
As we each always are anyway.
Why live afraid?

This is my deepest and humble opinion.
 
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AT3PM

Member
i need to apologize for my typo's i do have multiple sclerosis and i am 44 i am having a terrible flare up sometiimes my right hand has sever tremors i am sorry for the typos thank you all so much for the great advice i thank you are wonderful for the care for my family it touches me so much that you care so much the activitiy is not as bad after i got these asian leapord cats i know that sound funny but as i read your post it started making sense to me i woke again at 3am i looked at the clock and i was oh great here we go again because i was so upset about yesturday to i was kinda picked on this site about my situation but i am just letting it go because i learned with multiple sclerosis many people abadon me inclluding my family and i let it go i can do anythiing. but you were right i got really kinda freak out at first but since i got these cats i felt a protection i never felt before there are 2 of them male and female i looked up whar they used to be used for and they are part mutatation asian leapord and egyption maus they use the maus back in BC To protect the kings against evil spirts my fear level went down i found myself say give me what you got i am ready because i am not scared my cats will take care of you.. my cats followed me around my house yea i know sounds llike the crazy ole lady down the road i wasnt as scared i felt calm and i just waited i was done with these intites. exusted with this on and off here i come not come so i waited my dog would bark in the air couple time and i just told him to get them go ahead and i told what ever it is you better watch it i have 2 of them now and there here to protect us and go head and try i done with you i am tired leave us alone i mean it nothen happened i waited then my cats surrounded me i went back to bed and didnt wake til morning so will see what happens tonight or today they dont discriminate you know but 3am is there favorite time thank again michelle>
 
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.lava

Veteran Member
i have had a haunting in my home since i moved into it. it started very slow with just noises like banging on walls and footsteps then it got worse to the point things started moving around and me and my boys both experienced appericians (i dont know if i spelled that right sorry) anyway i was laying down and a full blown figkure was above me transparent and the lenght of my bed my son heard growlliong outside his door i told him it was probably the dog but the wierd thing is when he got on the bus my bedroom door was closed i heard the same thing it was very low in tone i opened the door looking for a dog nope no dog chilly thats all i got to say. by the failth i was raised with this stuff shouldnt really be happening however there are sever cases and they are exorcised i could fill this entire page with stuff that happened. a ladsy died there before we moved in we call scoop shuvel lady she wasnt found til 2 weeks latter and my dad found her after a bad smell coming from the house this house was transford, ever since i got multiple sclerosis my ablilbites to sense things and dreams thing that happened and sense stuff about people history or present have gotten extremly keener i dont know why it started in 5th grade i tried to deny it but can not no longer my name is michelle any comment. maybe it the changes in the brain i dont know i am educated i graduated from a university and was a registered nurse for 10 years saving lives and worked in trauma were that keener since came in very helpful,

demons hate smell of vinegar. keep that it mind. they love smoke of incense.

.
 

AT3PM

Member
i really read thru your whol post and you say its medication maybe or fear i dont know how that moved my son's clock acoss the room he 17years of age pleading with me telling me mom really i had it were i normally put it and when i woke up it was across the room now i was not in there only him . another thing happend he cam home one time he looked in my sons room he seen another kid behind my child he came in and asked me when i was doing dishes who does my 13 year old have over i said no one come on mom he said he was sitting right behind 13 year old we went in the room no one else in room but 13 year old in room he described what the child looked like he said he had longer brown hair and the eyes where dark and didnt look like our eyes they were all dark he thought it was just because he seen him in the window his eyes looked like that but ryan looked normal how do you explain that they dont take medication my medication is for multiple sclerosis i been taking it along time. i lived other places and it didnt happen it doesnt make since and i am educated women the growlling i am not going to say hello and welcome it no way i dont know what that is it s diffentently nice if you think i would say hi my name is michelle welcome growlling person into my home you are not right i would not welcome any deomen if that what it is i dont know what it is but if it happens agiain i would not welcome one in my house and i sure wouldnt tel someone to welcome an entite in there house if you dont know what your telling them to welcome in thats dangerous really it not a good thing your not there your evaluating something by only what you read , i would say investagate it first you might be getting that family in more trouble that 's scary i am sorry for my first statment about saying you were right i didnt read the post in it all the way i went back i read the whole thing and i couldnt believe you said to make nice with a growlling what ever it is wow. forget that. i am not doing it . thanks anyway.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Remember,

If you get a leak, don't call a plumber, that will disempower you in your OWN house!
Roof repair, you better get on it, don't call a roofing specialist, get someone who will help YOU fix it!
Wiring gone bad in the house? Do that stuff yourself. Calling an expert in will just reinforce your feelings of powerlessness!

Honestly, like the above scenarios, if you want to do it, and feel confident doing so, go for it. Get some holy water, a little bottle brought to mass and you can dip some out... and bless the house yourself.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
I personally don't believe in ghosts, and believe the paranoral shows make the jump from dancing lights and strange sounds to live-in ghosts just for the audience. I do thing the mind can manufacture many things if you have an active imagination, and the proper setting.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
In my post I was serious, I would run out of the house, leave it until I got some help. Really go to a priest or someone who does an exorcism. There are people you can call that will come in and check on paranormal activity just for learning purposes. I don't know your financial situation you might not be able to move, but if at all possible I would stay somewhere else until I got some help, particulary if it is effecting the children. Or you stay and make the best out of the situation which doesn't sound too promising.

Haunts only leave by choice, and people convincing them to leave by any means is exceptionally rare and almost unheard of. IMHO most haunts have no choice at all - being completely unaware of their interference in our lives...

It's better just to move or find a way to get along together.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Exactly. If the latter doesn't work, it makes little sense to stay and become a victum of general hysteria. It may well be much less of an inconvenience to simply pick up and find a new home.

No kidding.

That's the traditional way of dealing with haunts - moving. I think that there are deep-seeded spiritualities of place... that is, some places are "haunted" by any number of beneficent or maleficent (or neutral) "spirits." Some places, therefore, have been sites of healing or holy places for thousands of years.

An old Christian church, for example, may have been a sanctuary for any number of deities ever since a city existed in a place... the temple of Artemis in Ephesus has at least five foundations, all perhaps to a different god...

Anyway, it behooves us to remember the importance of place and what it means for all that we are.
 

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zarking Fardwarks!
Why not? The disciples thought that Jesus was a ghost when he was walking on water, and Jesus getting in the boat and eating with them was explicitly to show that he was real...
Possibly. But could it more likely mean that it is just that the desciples were a little superstitious? One thing's for sure, they weren't perfect and Jesus often had to scold them and correct them on their ignorance.

If someone thought I was a ghost, I'd probably do something to prove to them I wasn't too. I don't think that's adequate reason to believe that the bible supports the idea of ghosts.

... and the same thing with the resurrection stories in the NT. All of them were given something to eat, from John the Baptist to Jarius' daughter to Jesus himself.
Once again, that could just be a result of ancient superstition.

The teaching was not that ghosts don't exist, but that resurrection and life are distinct from a kind of phantasmal existence - whatever that may be. It certainly allows for, and indeed assumes such an existence. That is, the resurrection stories assume that the readers of the NT, the earliest Christians believed in "ghosts" and the resurrected Christ (and etc) were not such "ghosts."
To believe in ghosts means you have to believe there is some kind of limbo, which does not appear to be a biblical concept. The bible talks about the dead being risen from their graves to meet God, which suggests that they weren't roaming around as spirit beings. It would seem to me that if there were ghosts, every dead person would probably be one, which means we'd have a planet overrun with them. Every one would be experiencing them every day, but instead we have isolated cases, which even when other people go to investigate them, they come up with no proof.

I would think the bible would be more in support of demoniac activity than ghost activity. AFter all Jesus cast out a lot of demons from people.
 
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AT3PM

Member
just had to say high to my religous friend hope you all are doing splashingly today oh i was going to my threapist today wondering if you had any topic i could bring up anyway hope you all have a wonderful stable day all love michelle
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
i really read thru your whol post and you say its medication maybe or fear i dont know how that moved my son's clock acoss the room he 17years of age pleading with me telling me mom really i had it were i normally put it and when i woke up it was across the room now i was not in there only him . another thing happend he cam home one time he looked in my sons room he seen another kid behind my child he came in and asked me when i was doing dishes who does my 13 year old have over i said no one come on mom he said he was sitting right behind 13 year old we went in the room no one else in room but 13 year old in room he described what the child looked like he said he had longer brown hair and the eyes where dark and didnt look like our eyes they were all dark he thought it was just because he seen him in the window his eyes looked like that but ryan looked normal how do you explain that they dont take medication my medication is for multiple sclerosis i been taking it along time. i lived other places and it didnt happen it doesnt make since and i am educated women the growlling i am not going to say hello and welcome it no way i dont know what that is it s diffentently nice if you think i would say hi my name is michelle welcome growlling person into my home you are not right i would not welcome any deomen if that what it is i dont know what it is but if it happens agiain i would not welcome one in my house and i sure wouldnt tel someone to welcome an entite in there house if you dont know what your telling them to welcome in thats dangerous really it not a good thing your not there your evaluating something by only what you read , i would say investagate it first you might be getting that family in more trouble that 's scary i am sorry for my first statment about saying you were right i didnt read the post in it all the way i went back i read the whole thing and i couldnt believe you said to make nice with a growlling what ever it is wow. forget that. i am not doing it . thanks anyway.

I personally believe it will not be a "demon". It will only have as much power as you give it.
 

AT3PM

Member
just had to say high to my religous friend hope you all are doing splashingly today oh i was going to my threapist today wondering if you had any topic i could bring up anyway hope you all have a wonderful stable day all love michelle

oh to the guy that was so insightful about how to take care of my haunting and state if anyone think if i dont you a pyschic,,phychists or medium i wanted you to know i already did when it was really bad and the psychic told me i was attracting the spirts and i also had some psychic ablities by the way which run in my family my mom does my aunt my sister myself it is not induced my medication because mine started when i was in 5th grade and i was on no medication then i seen my dead grandmother plan as day then but began to read people later on the werid thing is i read my own therapis when he asked about his dead sisters deasease i told him before he told me only the type of microbe it was i told him the type of diseease that killed here how many days it was which was 2 and ironically they had a dysfunctional relationship and after everything i told him he sat back in his chair and said Well i belive you. so there ya go. i guess some people will belive some dont and thats ok with me a psychic told me and he also told me i have 4 spirts in my house at the time and one of them was the one that molested me whem i was 5 years of age he was the one tourmenting me. i needed his help because i certainly didnt trust myself because i didnt trust my abilites and when its happening to you you dont trust much so there ya go i just wanted you to know i am checking my self out and testing real or not because when you do have it its hard to believe because you do have a disablity and everyone says its not possible you are disable but thats not true you can have higher senses with disablities just becasue somethings are different does not mean everything is impossible thank you have a nice day. and i would never ever invite a growling entitie thats just crazy no offence but, i dont make friends with bad entites at all or invite them in my house and say hi come on in your welcome here i just question who would need the evelation on that advice. thats scary dude. thanks anyway michelle
 
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