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Does race exist?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by dan, Dec 21, 2004.

  1. dan

    dan Well-Known Member

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    Our society is so concerned with how the races interact, but the interesting fact is that race does not exist. It is an entirely new concept that has no basis except for sociological classification brought on by the slavery of the last couple of centuries and the Catholic churches search for heirarchy in the human family.
     
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  2. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Get thee to a history book.
     
  3. HelpMe

    HelpMe ·´sociopathic meanderer`·

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    race has existed more than a 'couple of centuries'.
     
  4. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Races exist... they were not "invented" in the last couple of centuries. Man has been using race as a reason for war since time immemorial.
     
  5. Lintu

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    Race exists as a concept because people believe in it, but I believe that the idea is flawed.
     
  6. Fluffy

    Fluffy A fool

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    Race is just a concept, a way of dividing sections of society into categories based on physical differences. It also works. It is more than a mere social issue though since this form of classification has impact in other areas including the differences between human beings, evolution etc. You wouldnt consider ignoring the idea of species in other animals so why decide that it doesnt apply to humans? The differences highlighted by this classification system do not lead to an obvious hierarchy as far as I can see but pretending that every human being is the same in terms of their race is ludicrous. There is a difference between accepting another person's differences and ignoring them.
     
  7. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Race exists genetically...
     
  8. painted wolf

    painted wolf Grey Muzzle

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    Sorry but their is no genetic basis for race. :banghead3
    The genetic difference between the races is so small as to be nearly nonextistant (around .01%). A tweak to a couple of genes that is almost unnoticable. different bands of Chimpanzees have a greater difference in their DNA than all the races of man have from one another. Currently their is no way to determine someones race by DNA typing, so currently thier is no real genetic definition of 'Race" Race=myth

    check out: http://www.hhmi.org/cgi-bin/askascientist/highlight.pl?kw=&file=answers%2Fgenetics%2Fans_011.html
    http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/RacesDiffer/RacesDiffer.htm
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1999-11/AAft-Csag-031199.php

    hope this helps
    wa:do
     
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  9. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    To say race does not exist would be to ignore the adaptations of the Inuit that allows them to stick their bare hands in icy water and still be able to feel what they're doing. I whole-heartedly agree that race should never be used against anyone, but you can't pretend it doesn't exist, either.
     
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  10. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    What he said ...
     
  11. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    So, all differential capability sets constitute distinct races? Give us a definition for race ...
     
  12. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Distinct differences in humans that reflect physical adaptations for their environment.
     
  13. Jayhawker Soule

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    Sicilians are darker than the Dutch. Two different races?
     
  14. Master Vigil

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    "Distinct differences in humans that reflect physical adaptations for their environment."

    I am male while my mother if femal. We are distinct because I adapted to have sperm, while she has eggs. Are we different races now?
     
  15. Sunstone

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    I have to agree with Painted Wolf on this one. It's hard to imagine that race has much of a genetic foundation when the differences between "races" might acccount for only .01% of the total human genome.
     
  16. Jayhawker Soule

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    Sorry, but you stubbed your tao. You really need to rethink that one. :rolleyes:
     
  17. Master Vigil

    Master Vigil Well-Known Member

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    "Sorry, but you stubbed your tao. You really need to rethink that one."

    DAMNIT!!!!! I tried. Sorry for my poor post in event of hurriedness.
     
  18. painted wolf

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    how many races of 'native americans' are there? Innuit adapted to the cold polar lands. The plains nations were darker skinned for more UV exposeure, the easterners were light skinned because we got to be under the trees and so on. Are we all seperate races?

    we are all the same genetically.

    wa:do
     
  19. HelpMe

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    you've put your strongest case against evolution forth now.
     
  20. painted wolf

    painted wolf Grey Muzzle

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    wrong thread HelpMe ;)

    Humans adapt but we also interbreed to keep the genepool homogenus. Thus no 'race'.

    wa:do
     
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