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Featured Does Paul Rub You the Wrong Way

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by sandy whitelinger, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    No. That is not what your source said and I offered a complete rebuttal to that. There is no evidence it was centered in Tarsus, or that the worship of Mithras that was seen among those pirates had anything to do with the later mystery religion of Mithraism that was seen in the Roman Empire.

    Your claim simply is false, as I demonstrated above.
     
  2. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Though here are a list of objective contradictions between Paul and Yeshua; what subjectively aggravates me about Paul is:

    His overly eagerness to get into Heaven, and steal a crown to judge angels; its like pompous words are celebrated, and praised by the whole Christian community, who also like that self loving edification.

    His sickness at creating a covenant with death, and thinking that suffices to claim the metaphysical.

    That Paul pretends to be self loathing, and comes across to the naive that he is actually self analytical; when really he is just debating himself, why what he believes is right.

    I respect, and at the same point loath how intelligently Paul has tried to circumnavigate Jewish Law, and reinstall the Jews as a chosen people, whilst grafting the Gentiles on to a cursed branch.

    Lastly i can't stand how slimy Paul is as a person: he boasts, and yet claims not, he twists, and states he doesn't, he is spiteful, and yet claims sainthood, he is arrogant, and yet claims to be humble, etc.

    In my opinion.
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  3. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Veteran Member

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    I think your interpretation of natural man is strange to me. Can you clarify your interpretation more?
     
  4. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Veteran Member

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    I read your link. I clearly use the English language a lot differently than the author.
     
  5. William Milverton

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    You have asked :-
    "What is it about the teachings of Paul that causes you disharmony?"

    Christian pharisees perniciously confuse "The Word" (Jesus) with the words in the bible
    That allows them to view everything in the bible as an equality
    So the authority of Paul equals the authority of Jesus equals the authority of the most obscure prophet of the old covenant

    The entire Creation and everything in it is in hierarchy
    The most inconsequential statement of Jesus (God) has more authority than everything Paul wrote.
    No statement of Paul's can be correctly interpreted unless you refer it to the authority teaching of Jesus to which it refers

    Members of Paul's church sold everything they owned and gave the money to the poor
    They handed their wages to the church elders who disbursed it back according to need
    Every member was totally committed to incorporating Jesus' 40 commandments (Sermon On The Mount) into their lives

    Any interpretation of Paul has to perceive a life lived according to Jesus' teaching
    The most laughable aspect of the modern church is when they say they can't do something because it's not biblical or because it's against a teaching of Paul
    Very little about the modern church is biblical and very few in it would qualify as members of Paul's church
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  6. wizanda

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    Since i wrote that years ago, and am far more articulate now a days; please ask, and will explain anything that is needed.
    You could do with studying what scholars put forward, and not what Jewish Tradition dictates:

    Elyon - Wikipedia

    Deuteronomy 32:7-9 Remember the days of old. Consider the years of many generations. Ask your father, and he will show you; your elders, and they will tell you. When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the children of men, he set the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the children of 'God'. For Yahweh's portion is his people. Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

    Christians do not put forward the argument, there was a Divine Council of Elohim and One God Most High (El Elyon), scholars do; as the text shows two references in multiple places (2 Samuel 22:14 & Psalms 18:13, Psalms 50:14, Psalms 78:35, Psalms 92:1), as the Jews after the Babylonian Exile have been trying to follow a stricter form of monotheism, that didn't exist in the Tanakh.

    Divine Council - Wikipedia

    The ideas of an incarnation of YHVH Elohim 'becoming' 'Yeshua' Elohim (Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10) is also throughout the Tanakh (H3444 + H1961 = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2), and Jewish reading comprehension is to blame.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  7. sandy whitelinger

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    Not today.
     
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  8. wizanda

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    Considering many of the posts in the thread, seem to not be able to distinguish Paul's own character, and Paul's teachings...

    Depends what style of analysis you were asking for, and what understanding you want to result from the inquiry.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  9. ThePainefulTruth

    ThePainefulTruth Romantic-Cynic

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    Already answered, jeeez.
     
  10. shunyadragon

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    Good thing you emphasize it is your opinion. For Example: The 'Divine Council' is a from older polytheistic/henotheistic Babylonian, Ugarit, and Canaanite mythology, which is also the problem that much of the Pentateuch found in older cuneiform tablets.

    Jews realize that Judaism matures and evolved beyond this ancient polytheism/henotheism through Revelation that condemned these false beliefs, and idols based on these beliefs.

    Christianity is retro unfortunately going back to ancient mythology, and Roman/Hellenist mythology, including as a basis for the Trinity, and in the Roman Church the role of Mary.
     
  11. sandy whitelinger

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    I missed it. Can you reference the post, puhleeez?
     
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    Look Greek, not English. Gnostics traditionally separated human natures respecting spiritual attitude three ways:: pneumatic, psychic (natural in English translation) and hylic (material). That is what Paul did. That what Christ did (Prodigal Son story, for example).
     
  13. wizanda

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    Actually Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism is a sect that existed since Babylon; that Yeshua came to remove, as they no longer accepted the God Most High, and that there is a Council of Elders...

    Revelation repeats what exists, that there are 24 Elders around the throne; not some mythology.
    The idea you're calling false beliefs, what exists in the majority of Hebraic texts (Psalms 82), shows a confirmation bias.
    The Divine Council as you're quoting from is polytheism/henotheism; what was taught in the Biblical texts is similar to what Krishna is stating, one God Most High, and then Elohim/Avatars that created reality (Oneness).

    Modern Judaism is more like the Canaanites, as they no longer realize that YHVH is not a name; yet means the 'Lord to Be', and they no longer recognize the God Most High as the Source of reality.

    Yet i don't expect you to question what an Avatar is telling you; as Baha'i has taught the same as Judaism believes, since no one bothered to double check their exegesis.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  14. sandy whitelinger

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    If this is what you offered as an explanation I fail to see much correlation to the hardly understood practices of Mithraism.
     
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    I see this as applicable to a degree. The sense that I was offering in the op is that it is like asking blind person to look at a photograph. Corinthians would seem to verify this but is contradicted by scripture that says every man is given a measure of faith. Can you reconcile this?
     
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    For some reason I thought this answer was part of my Predestination thread. What the hell does this have to do with Paul?
     
  17. socharlie

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    Can you rephrase you question? Faith is only initial gift that can grow into maturity through Gnosis. Faith is God's persuasion that we act upon to grow. Check 1 Cor. 13.
     
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    ???
     
  19. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    Your answer was rebutted though. Your connection doesn’t work as I explained. Especially since Tarsus wasn’t the capital of the area until after Mithraism was stamped out of there.
     
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  20. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Veteran Member

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    Your reply is a great example of predestitionation. I just don't see what it has to with problems with Paul?
     
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