I am in a debate on another board and here is one of my posts along with the response to it...I am running out of arguments...I already pointed out that anyone can quote from any Holy Book and find passages for and against violence...I've tried making the point that those passages are not representative of the whole message that you have to read around them to see what's going on in that particular section. I've pointed out that extremists take passages from their Book and twist it to suit there own agenda...
But the wacko crap that you will read through the response to my post has me just kind of stumped..you can't argue with irrationality and ignorance. I also made the point that poor and uneducated people over in the Middle East have to rely on their leaders to teach the message of the Qur'an and those leaders twist it, again, for their own purposes...I can't get through the point that Islam is not a violent and twisted religion any more than Judaism or Christianity..that the violent and twisted people who distort the message are resonsible for all the violence.
:banghead3 HELP!! Ok...read on:
Only a portion of my post had been quoted by this person
(Originally Posted by candi
Again, though, you will have your extremists who will take every word as law. In the Qur'an, unbeliever and infidel do not necessarily mean Christians and Jews.
Why condemn a whole people because of the actions of a few. I don't judge all of Christianity because a few of the radical Christians are threatening my freedoms in this country every day. I don't condemn all of Islam for the actions of a bunch of nutty terrorists. NO, I condemn the people responsible for the atrocities committed in God's name. ONLY the people responsible.)
The following is the response to my post...
(Where is the outrage from the millions of Muzlims who don't belong to this extreme few as you call them. There are millions of Muslims in this country alone and how
many do you hear from condemning those extremists. The silence is deafening.
Today they are going nuts about the Pope, and in doing so are reconfirming
exactly what he said. No amount of apologies are enough for them, they have
issued a fatwa for the Pope to be killed.
Even if you discard all the teachings of Muhammed, there is one basic premise
of Islam that has never changed, and that is the premise that all unbelievers must convert or be killed. And now they are so brazen, they offer these choices to the Pope and to the President. Even in an attempt to be PC about it, they say, convert and find peace, which everyone knows is the same as convert or be killed.
The millions who don't believe in this are useless, because they live in fear
that to voice opposition would be a death sentence for them. They are held
hostage by Islam, and that is why the minority extremists rule the Muslim
world.
Please take you head out of the sand and read the following. Though I can't confirm whether or not it is authentic, mispellings notwithstanding, (I find this part particularly unbelievable) I have shown it to several Muslims who say that yes, this is basically the game plan for Muslim domination of the West. The plan is well on its way in Europe and has made inroads already in the US.
"Warning to the West"
I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West.
To the infidels of the West:
Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction.
Meanwhile American laws will protect us.
Democrats and Leftist will support us.
UNO will legitimize us.
CAIR will incubate us.
ACLU will empower us.
Western Universities will educate us.
Mosques will shelter us
OPEC will finance us
Hollywood will love us.
Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.
Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our childrens educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.
We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.
We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Countrys interest than US interest.
We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children wont hesitate to be martyr.
Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we?
We are the sleeper cells.
We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only.
At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,
Imagine the news in the world Death of Muslim babies by infidels.
Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or hightech weaponery in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We wont hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.
Visualize the news flash all over the world,
Moslem mother is sobbing,
.crying.
.Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.
West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.
You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again.
On the camera:
We will always say, Islam is the religion of Peace.
We will say, Jihad is actually inner Jihad.
Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible.
Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.
Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.
We will increase in number. We will double again.
You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.
There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.
We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it.
21st Century Islamic Warfare
Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare.
Muslims Vs. the West.
Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)
In return Osama's attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.
At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.
Osama's ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold
Allah-Hu-Akbar.
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.
From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses.
Saudi Arabia's $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots.
We will use Americans kindness, fairness, compassion, freedom of speech and non-discriminatory policy against them. We will stab them in the back.
What are you going to do? You are doomed.)
Again, any help with a response to this?
