Does Islam have to have a caliph/caliphate?

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' Fitna is worse than the murder' [Q2.191]

IS , AQ , BH etc. are not only killing innocent people , they are spreading fitnah in the world . Hence they are way more filthy than the murderers .

what should ISIS do then?

 

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IS burnt the Pilot to death and according the Qur'an burning people is the old trait of the enemies of ALLAH , swt :

Ankabut :
23 Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah and in (their) Meeting with Him, such have no hope of My mercy. For such there is a painful doom.
24 But the answer of his folk was only that they said: "Kill him" or "Burn him." Then Allah saved him from the Fire. Lo! herein verily are portents for folk who believe.

Anbiya :
66 He said: Worship ye then instead of Allah that which cannot profit you at all, nor harm you?
67 Fie on you and all that ye worship instead of Allah! Have ye then no sense?
68 They cried: Burn him and stand by your gods, if ye will be doing.
69 We said: O fire, be coolness and peace for Abraham,

Saffat :
94 And (his people) came toward him, hastening.
95 He said: Worship ye that which ye yourselves do carve
96 When Allah hath created you and what ye make?
97 They said: Build for him a building and fling him in the red-hotfire.
98 And they designed a snare for him, but We made them the undermost.

Sahabah also burnt their enemies. Let alone what ISIS done is merely a retaliation punishment. What did the Jordan do in Syria at first?

 

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what should ISIS do then?

Then they must go to hell . There are much opportunities to do fitna there. We want to live in peace in this green earth .

 

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Then they must go to hell . There are much opportunities to do fitna there. We want to live in peace in this green earth .

If you wanted to live in peace then don't oppose ISIS. Then they would not oppress you either.

 

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Sahabah also burnt their enemies. Let alone what ISIS done is merely a retaliation punishment. What did the Jordan do in Syria at first?

As far as Qur'an is concerned , burning people to death is the practice of enemies of ALLAH swt , that is the end of the story . Whomever practiced it followed the path of Satan .

Qur'an mentioned different ways how to treat a captive . If IS are true Muslim (!?) , they could have thought those verses that ALLAH swt mentioned in the Qur'an before burning a Muslim captive to death .

2.85 After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

8.70 O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

76.8 "They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.'

 

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If you wanted to live in peace then don't oppose ISIS. Then they would not oppress you either.

Don't oppose to kill innocent people ?? Are Syria and Iraq their personal properties that they can do whatever they want ?

 

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Don't oppose to kill innocent people ?? Are Syria and Iraq their personal properties that they can do whatever they want ?

They kill Syiah, Syiah are not innocent people. And they kill also the helper of infidels. The helpers could be muslims. Yes Syria and Iraq belong to ISIS.

 

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As far as Qur'an is concerned , burning people to death is the practice of enemies of ALLAH swt , that is the end of the story . Whomever practiced it followed the path of Satan .

Qur'an mentioned different ways how to treat a captive . If IS are true Muslim (!?) , they could have thought those verses that ALLAH swt mentioned in the Qur'an before burning a Muslim captive to death .

2.85 After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

8.70 O Prophet! say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

76.8 "They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.'

2:85 talks about Bani Israel it has nothing to do with muslims whatsoever.
ever heard qishas/retaliation punishment? The Jordan pilot killed muslims by dropping bomb onto them via air force. ISIS simply practice Qishas.
And, what about the saudi who also keep killing their prisoners?

 

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They kill Syiah, Syiah are not innocent people.

GOD didn't give IS license to kill Shia , hence what they think and do is the plan of Satan . Shia have their own way to follow Islam as Sunni do . So what is wrong with that ?

And they kill also the helper of infidels. The helpers could be muslims. Yes Syria and Iraq belong to ISIS.

And those infidels are helping innocent Muslim from the oppression of IS .
Did IS get the ownership of Syria and Iraq in Lottery ? What is the lottery no.? Please use your brain .

 

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2:85 talks about Bani Israel it has nothing to do with muslims whatsoever.

2.85 is not the only verse I mentioned . Also this law is for Bani Israel but Almighty ALLAH didn't substitute it , as the other verses for the current generation confirm the fact they are all applicable . Hence captives should be treaed with kindness and should be used as means of ransom , not burning to death .

ever heard qishas/retaliation punishment? The Jordan pilot killed muslims by dropping bomb onto them via air force. ISIS simply practice Qishas.

The Islamic law of Qisas is as follows :

2.178 O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.

5.45 We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

Look how beautifully the law of Qisas is stipulated in Qur'an . If IS are really Muslim (?!) , they could have followed the best practice of the Qisas as Qur'an mentioned , isn't it ?

Unfortunately IS saw everything from their own angles . The Jordanian pilot had a mission to erase the criminal IS and to restore the peace among the Syrian Muslims . But unfortunately he was captured and burnt .

And, what about the saudi who also keep killing their prisoners?

Everybody knows that IS are terrorists , they are killing innocent people all around the world . They are capturing towns and after towns in Syria and Iraq by force . Even small kids and women are not safe from these criminals . So what treatment can you expect for these morons ?

 

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GOD didn't give IS license to kill Shia , hence what they think and do is the plan of Satan . Shia have their own way to follow Islam as Sunni do . So what is wrong with that ?



And those infidels are helping innocent Muslim from the oppression of IS .
Did IS get the ownership of Syria and Iraq in Lottery ? What is the lottery no.? Please use your brain .

Muslims may kill Syiah, God provides good reward for it.
Syiah are not muslims they beyond kaafirin.
Yes those infidels are helping Syiah in killing muslims in Irak, Syria and Yemen.
Syria and Iraq have to be rescued from Syiah corporations. It is the holy job of ISIS.

 

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2.85 is not the only verse I mentioned . Also this law is for Bani Israel but Almighty ALLAH didn't substitute it , as the other verses for the current generation confirm the fact they are all applicable . Hence captives should be treaed with kindness and should be used as means of ransom , not burning to death .



The Islamic law of Qisas is as follows :

2.178 O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.

5.45 We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

Look how beautifully the law of Qisas is stipulated in Qur'an . If IS are really Muslim (?!) , they could have followed the best practice of the Qisas as Qur'an mentioned , isn't it ?

Unfortunately IS saw everything from their own angles . The Jordanian pilot had a mission to erase the criminal IS and to restore the peace among the Syrian Muslims . But unfortunately he was captured and burnt .




Everybody knows that IS are terrorists , they are killing innocent people all around the world . They are capturing towns and after towns in Syria and Iraq by force . Even small kids and women are not safe from these criminals . So what treatment can you expect for these morons ?

considering Quran 2.178 the Quran uses 'if' clause. What if the family of the victim doesn't give any remission? And it is what saudy practice so far. When the family of the victim doesn't give any remission then the murder will get executed.
In this case it is proven again ISIS simply practice the Quran.
Yes ISIS are terrorists since all of jihadist are terrorists.
ISIS don't hurt the kids and the women like your filthy Syiah brother do.


and for the verse 5.45 it is in Torah, the Quran simply remind the Bani Israel and supposed to be practiced by Bani Israel instead of by Muslims. Don't you see 'them' pronoun in that verse?

 

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Muslims may kill Syiah, God provides good reward for it.
Syiah are not muslims they beyond kaafirin.
Yes those infidels are helping Syiah in killing muslims in Irak, Syria and Yemen.
Syria and Iraq have to be rescued from Syiah corporations. It is the holy job of ISIS.

That makes it clear that the mission of IS is to kill Muslims . Shias are as good Muslim as Sunni . If Shia are Kaffir then Sunni are also Kaffir .

IS can't go to Palestine and fight against the Zionist , they can't go to Kashmir and fight against the Mushrik but they are ready to kill the Muslims in Iraq and Syria . Why ? Because IS are not Muslims . They are the enemies of Muslims .

 

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considering Quran 2.178 the Quran uses 'if' clause. What if the family of the victim doesn't give any remission? And it is what saudy practice so far. When the family of the victim doesn't give any remission then the murder will get executed.
In this case it is proven again ISIS simply practice the Quran.

Jordan Government already started the negotiation to free IS member in exchange of that Pilot as per the demand of IS themselves but IS breached that process and burnt that Muslim person without reporting to Jordan Government . Was it fair ?

Yes ISIS are terrorists since all of jihadist are terrorists.

They are killing Innocent people including Muslims and they are invading Muslim countries . These are not the Jihad , these are terrorism and anti-Muslim brutality .

ISIS don't hurt the kids and the women like your filthy Syiah brother do.

There are plenty instances IS killed child and women regardless . How many news do you want about it ? Under Shia ruling Syria was a peaceful and prosperous country . The women , Men and children used to live in a moderate life . Since IS invaded they put fire in the country . Not good .

and for the verse 5.45 it is in Torah, the Quran simply remind the Bani Israel and supposed to be practiced by Bani Israel instead of by Muslims. Don't you see 'them' pronoun in that verse?

Have you read verse 5.48 ? Qur'an is confirming 5.45 and maintained the same rule for the Muslim . Thanks .

 

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Jordan Government already started the negotiation to free IS member in exchange of that Pilot as per the demand of IS themselves but IS breached that process and burnt that Muslim person without reporting to Jordan Government . Was it fair ?

They are killing Innocent people including Muslims and they are invading Muslim countries . These are not the Jihad , these are terrorism and anti-Muslim brutality .



There are plenty instances IS killed child and women regardless . How many news do you want about it ? Under Shia ruling Syria was a peaceful and prosperous country . The women , Men and children used to live in a moderate life . Since IS invaded they put fire in the country . Not good .




Have you read verse 5.48 ? Qur'an is confirming 5.45 and maintained the same rule for the Muslim . Thanks .

Jordan Government were late. ISIS already gave them enough time.
They kill Syiah. Syiah are not innocent people. They deserve die.
ISIS invade Iraq and Syria because they want to rescue those countries from savage filthy kafir Syiah. Syiah keep oppress and kill muslims in those countries.
It is a holiest jihad ever.
ISIS don't kill kids and women. in which news you keep sticking on? kafir syiah news?
Under filthy kafir Syiah, Syria keep killing and oppressing muslims in Syria. But it will become a nostalgia, since kafir Syiah will no longer able to breath in peace in Syria from now. keep begging on US and Russia or your Husein. Labbaik ya Husein.. preeet!
Yes ISIS burn those Syiah lands till devastating.

NO, those verses pure about Bani Israel. But why do you propose those verses? did ISIS do the something wrong that oppose those verse?

 

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That makes it clear that the mission of IS is to kill Muslims . Shias are as good Muslim as Sunni . If Shia are Kaffir then Sunni are also Kaffir .

IS can't go to Palestine and fight against the Zionist , they can't go to Kashmir and fight against the Mushrik but they are ready to kill the Muslims in Iraq and Syria . Why ? Because IS are not Muslims . They are the enemies of Muslims .

ISIS are not muslims. Killing Syiah is encouraged by Prophet Muhammad. Syiah are kafir. Do you have any idea how to reach Israel? And why don't your filthy Syiah attack Israel? Since when attacking israil become the criteria of islamic label?

 

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(caliph/caliphate) Means successor [example: the father's (caliph)successor is the son]

islam had 4 leaders called the righteous caliph they're the ones who took the leadership right after the prophet until they died
each one (including the prophet) gave the leadership to the other

the rest of the leaders are not the same because those were the prophet's closest friends and he complimented them more than the rest

so do we have to have one ? no .. we already had more than one ..
but since the meaning of the word became (Leader) today .. sure we have to have a leader

even if we're going for a trip or traveling it's better to vote a leader between us for the road ..

your question is tricky because of the switch in meanings between caliph and leader
as for what you said :

What then do you think about Islam in its current state in which most Muslims would say that there is no valid caliphate in existence?

i would think they don't know any better .. islam at its start isn't the same as islam tody .. things change but the rules are still the same nothing changed