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Does Islam have to have a caliph/caliphate?
- Thread starter ZooGirl02
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No it's not obligation ,it's was system of election the leader in deep past .
use_your_brain
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yes it is obligatory.
ZooGirl02
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I see the you are the only one who has so far said that a caliphate is necessary or obligatory. What then do you think about Islam in its current state in which most Muslims would say that there is no valid caliphate in existence?
use_your_brain
Active Member
Why do they say that the current state is not a valid caliphate?
Is the Caliphate a particularly Sunni concept?
I occasionally hear from people hoping for a Caliphate, or perhaps regreting that there is not one anymore. Any comments on why a Caliphate would be wanted?
I occasionally hear from people hoping for a Caliphate, or perhaps regreting that there is not one anymore. Any comments on why a Caliphate would be wanted?
ZooGirl02
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The only organization I know of that claims to be a caliphate is Islamic State, also known as ISIS. Most Muslims do not believe that it is a valid caliphate.
use_your_brain
Active Member
Many muslims also accept and go for it. why do the other muslims not believe it is a valid caliphate?
WHY?
Are you an I S I S supporter?
use_your_brain
Active Member
Prophet Muhammad (saaw) said:
"There will be Nabuwa with Rehma (prophethood with Mercy). Then there will be Khilafah with Ba’yah (pledge). Then Allah will change it when He wishes. Then there will be Mulkan ‘Adoodan (Rule by force). Then Allah will change it when He wishes. Then there will be Mulkan Jabriya (against people’s will). Then Allah will change it when He wishes. Then there will be Khilafah Ala Minhajin Nabuwa (on the path of prophethood). The earth and the sky will bestow their treasures."(Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Courtesy of Khilafah.Org)
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The Prophet said, "Prophecy will remain among you as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a caliphate according to the manner of prophecy as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a distressful kingdom which will remain as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a proud kingdom which will remain as long as Allah wishes it to remain, then Allah Most High will remove it. Then there will be a caliphate according to the manner followed during the prophethood (by the prophet)." Then he stopped. Habib said: "When Umar ibn AbdulAziz became caliph I wrote to him, mentioning this tradition to him and saying, "I hope you will be the Prince of the Faithful Believers after the distressful and the proud kingdoms." It pleased and charmed him, i.e. Umar ibn AbdulAziz." (Al-Tirmizi, Ahmad, Bayhaqi in Dala'il Nubuwwah)
the Prophet said: "There will be twelve ameers (leaders)", then he said: Meaning, he (the Prophet) said: "All of them are from Quraish."
The Prophet said: "The matter of this nation will continue well-established when they are ruled by twelve caliphs who all belong to Quraysh".
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use_your_brain
Active Member
what about you? are you?
You answer my question first, if you wish, then I answer yours. I asked first, let's be fair now
I'm afraid @use_your_brain 's reply in #11 above did not clarify my question. Unless it is meant that there is prophecy of an eventual, righteous Caliphate?
use_your_brain
Active Member
If ISIS were a true muslim then I do support them. what about you?You answer my question first, if you wish, then I answer yours. I asked first, let's be fair now
use_your_brain
Active Member
Your question was what the sunni viewpoint on Caliphate concept is. And I proposed what prophet said.
Actually, I asked if it is noticeably Sunni as a Muslim concept, as in, do Ahmadiya, Sufis and Shias have the concept as well?
Also, with all due respect, I do not find the answer clear by any means.
Also, with all due respect, I do not find the answer clear by any means.
Most Muslims seem to feel little reason to hesitate in saying that ISIS are not true, good, proper Muslims.
I take it that you are not one of those many?
Jumi
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use_your_brain
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Caliphate is the hidden concept in sunni community, since sunni is the community that suppose to accept prophet tradition (hadith).
Khilafah is the divine leadership since it merely bases on Quran and hadith. DO you see any muslims community led by a figure that base on proper islamic teaching, including in treating the islamic enemies?
today muslims have no such that figure.the recent muslim nations rely on either monarchy, democracy, nationalism or secularism.
caliphate or khilafah or what ever we entitle it prefer pure islamic fundamentalist teaching over the undivine systems such as democracy, monarchy and so on.