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Does God really love everybody?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Arrow, Jun 16, 2006.

  1. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    So, bibleonly, who exactly does God love? Does He love Muslims? How about pagans? Mormons? Atheists? Buddhists? Or does He only love "Bible-only Christians"?
     
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    Whether you go to Heaven or Hell is irrelevant to the question "Does God love everyone?"
     
  3. bibleonly

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    Katzpur said: So, bibleonly, who exactly does God love? Does He love Muslims? How about pagans? Mormons? Atheists? Buddhists? Or does He only love "Bible-only Christians"?

    The scriptures say’s:
    John 14:21 He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be LOVED OF MY FATHER, and I WILL LOVE HIM, and will manifest (make known) myself to him.
    Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, Lord, how will you show yourself to us, and not to the world? Jesus answered and said to him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and MY FATHER WILL LOVE HIM, and we will come to him and dwell with him.
     
  4. bibleonly

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    Nutshell said: Whether you go to Heaven or Hell is irrelevant to the question "Does God love everyone?"

    God say's in
    Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob I have loved, but Esau have I Hated.

    Psalms 11:5 The LORD proves the righteous: but the wicked and him that loves injustice GOD SOUL HATES.
     
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    God only loves humanity who follow it, wrong or right. Committing murder is perfectly acceptable to it as long as you follow its bidding. Anything against it is automatically is wicked regardless of the true nature of one's self. It shows on some preachers threatment of non believers. They categorize non-believers as evil.
     
  6. bibleonly

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    Katzpur said: So, bibleonly, who exactly does God love? Does He love Muslims? How about pagans? Mormons? Atheists? Buddhists? Or does He only love "Bible-only Christians"?


    God only loves those (His people, a remnant chosen by grace) whose sins have been paid for by His Son Jesus Christ.

    Romans 5:8 God commended his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    If God loved everyone, then there’s no need of Eternal Damanation to pay for your sins.
    Romans 8:36 If God is for us, who can be against us?
    If Christ paid for everyone’s sins then there is no sin that can send us to Hell.
    Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Verse 39 Nothing shall be able to separate us from the LOVE of GOD, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    And God has made the choice. Did God not become incarnate to reconcile the world to God's self?


    That's obtuse. It also assumes that God does have people tortured in hell. Not everyone makes or believes that assumption.
     
  8. youngobadiah

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    Don't be stupid. Course Yahweh does love however, love has an edge. If you love a group of people and you tell them many times to do something and they ignore you could you keep loving?
    What i'm trying to say is that Yahweh gives grace to those who keep his commandments
    Exodus 20
    '6And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. '
    PSALM 32:10
    '10Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.'

    PSALM 36:
    ' 10O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart. '

    You really think that Yahweh will forgive you no matter what! If you know whats right do it.
     
  9. Truth101

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    God Bless, Dave
     
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    Yep, he hates what we do however, when will live more like bilaam then avraham.
     
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  12. bibleonly

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    Truth101, said:This scripture you quote is not saying God only loves those who listen and obey.
    It is saying that while the WORLD was yet in sin Christ did for the WORLD.

    Please read the Scripture again carefully : The scriptures say’s:
    John 14:21 He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be LOVED OF MY FATHER, and I WILL LOVE HIM, and will manifest (make known) myself to him.
    Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, Lord, how will you show yourself to us, and not to the world? Jesus answered and said to him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and MY FATHER WILL LOVE HIM, and we will come to him and dwell with him.
    John 14 Context: verse 2-3 That Christ would be departing this world through his death and that he would be preparing a place for them in His Father’s house. They would be soon following him there because they knew the way.
    In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you.

    Provision for the whole world is not found in this verse. But very specifically a place prepare for you according to context.
    Verse 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.
    Again the context is specifically addressed to those that know, no mention that the whole world would know the way. ( which later he says that He is the WAY)

    Verse 5 Thomas said to him, Lord, we know not where you go; and how can we know the way?

    Here Thomas is reasoning with his human intellect in which can never please God, but more to the point his human understanding of what Christ was saying left him not knowing what Jesus was trying to point out. So Christ gives him clarity when He defines the word way. Thomas was thinking in some earthy use of the word way. Jesus declares how he would use the word WAY, that is being identified with himself.

    Verse 6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, but by me. If you had known me, you should have known my Father also; and from here on YOU know him, and have seen him.

    Again the context very specifically declares YOU (not the whole world) now know the WAY to the Father.

    Verse 8 Philip said to Jesus, Lord, show us the Father, and it will be sufficient.

    Here Philip also is having a hard time understanding what Jesus is saying, because again he is using his human intellect, his human reasoning , his human perception of truth. Christ is very plainly declaring that he and the Father are the same and the proof will be the works that he has done. However it goes right over his head, because with his human understanding there is no bearing in which he can identify with. They are being confronted with Eternal concepts in which the human brain cannot grasp or even comprehend.

    Verse 10 You don’t believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you I speak not of myself; but the Father that dwells in me, he does the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very sake of the works. Truly, truly, I say to you, he that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go to my Father. And whatever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

    Verse 15 If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it sees him not, neither knows him: But you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

    Again if one uses their human reasoning they’ll never understand the salvation plan of God, that says, God only loves those (His people, a remnant chosen by grace) whose sins have been paid for by His Son Jesus Christ.If one continues to let their own wisdom teach them, then they will be led down a wrong road of reasoning and in a WAY that is contrary to the whole of scripture. If one continues to rely on what makes sense to them, formulating ideas that are pleasing to them, then most certainly one can come up with teachings that falsely promote that Christ paid the sins of every single person that would ever live throughout time. When in fact Christ clearly states in Verse 15 that those that keep His commandments, notice the ones that He PRAYS for. Again notice that Christ doesn't pray for the world. And then Jesus states that the WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE ( notice it does'nt say will not). Why can't the world receive the Spirit of Truth, because they are blind by their own human reasoning. They can’t see Him because their wisdom has them looking at another WAY. Neither can they KNOW HIM, because the way that they invented is based on teachings that please their own intellect. They can NEVER KNOW HIM, because those facts are based of man’s knowledge that has been contrived. Who according to scripture declares: 2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth.
     
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    Ok I have deleted the scriptures in your quote as I would like to save space. I will jot my comments for easy reading.

    1: First things first. Provisions are not made for the whole world to enter the kingdom and You will not find one spot where I said the whole world will enter the kingdom. You will only be able to quote me saying that only the elect will enter the Kingdom. The rest will stay dead until thier resurrection after the kingdom AGE. The unbelievers "who do not know the way" will not take part in the first resurrection. Only the elect are resurrected to recieve thier reward in the kingdom to rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years (not eternity). This Kingdom will end when the 1000 years are fullfilled.

    2: Speaking of reward "1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss(loss of his reward): but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    3:It will be through the fire that all others will be saved. This fire is not a literal lake with hot lava spewing bodies around. GOD IS THE CONSUMMING FIRE. Those who recieve salvation now recieve it by faith and their reward will be admittance into the kingdom. Those who die in unbelief will be saved by site through the great white throne judgment without reward. They will have no choice but to believe at this point. The judgment of God is not a pretty picture and I will never understate the wrath of God. It will not be pleasant at all for those who stand in judgment but the whole purpose is not to save but to cleanse. The fire is a remedial and corrective fire (not literal fire) designed to make whole.

    4:I highlighted a portion of your post in red above and will comment on this here.
    Luk 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
    1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
    1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
    1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
    1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
    This one scripture blows away your false statement that Christ did not die for the sins of the world. He gave Himself a ransom FOR ALL, most importantly noted "to be testified in due time".
    Further more you say that the unbelievers mind and reasoning is the reason for his blindness? Scripture again will prove you wrong.
    Joh 12:40 He (God) hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
    Exo 7:13 And he (God) hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
    Deu 2:30 But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

    I could keep this up all day but you get the point. I do appreciate your studies and I pray that one day God opens up your understanding to these things.

    God bless, Dave




     
  14. Purple Thyme

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    Back to the original question, in my little world God is love. I believe God is some some sort of energy force of love and we are part particles of that love trying to find our way back.

    For some of the discussions previously, I truely cannot fathom worshipping a Christian God because if God is that predudice against people of different faiths and paths, he is not worth worshipping. If God stands in judgement of people then that God is way too human for me.
     
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    The problem with you thinking God is too human because He judges is because you see your brand of personal judgment which is flawed and unjust. We humans are unjust in our judgments because we know not the beginning and the end. God knows the beginning and the end and therefore he can be just in His actions.

    When you raise a child you make judgments and create punishments you HOPE will work to bring your desired results. You cannot guarantee the judgment you use will be effective where as God Does know exactly what is effective because He knows the beginning from the end.

    You are trying to shed a light on an infinite being using your finite mind which could never even know the mind of God.

    God is just in His judgments, we are not. Truth is absolute and the religions of the world are far from this truth. Christianity and all religous organization alike have a god but according to even them he err's and regrets what he does and their savior has failed. Heres why,
    1: He is omniscient but regrets his actions.
    2: His will is in subjection to human will and not the other way around. The will of God is that none should parish but all shall come to repentance but if the human either doesnt know him or does not want to know him than His will is useless to save. Even a fireman will save the victims of a house fire wether they want to be saved or not. So their God is more Human than humans in his ability to carry out his will and save.
    3: We are told that "god so LOVED THE WORLD" and yet we have a thread here where Christians argue that he doesnt love the world but only them. A feable attempt to corner the love of God much more LIMIT it as they do with Gods saving ability.

    Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
    Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
    2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.(you do good by putting up with him or tolerating him this is the tolerance of others you were looking for).
    God is longsuffering and patient and tolerates much and expects us to do the same. We should always try to persuade those who do not believe or believe in unscriptural theologies but with tolerance and patience.

    God Bless, Dave
     
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    Truth101, said: Please find for me any scripture at all where it says that eternal damnation will pay for anyone’s sins.

    In Romans 6:23 For the WAGES of sin is death. 1John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses the law; for sin is the transgression of the law. Sin is violation of the law of God. And God declares that law demands must be paid for, and the payment or WAGES that God demands is Death. And we know from other scripture that the death that God has in view is not just a physical death, but also a spiritual death, which is eternal in nature.
    Revelation 21:8 And he said to me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the Fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murders, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burns with FIRE and brimstone; which is the SECOND DEATH.
    God here is equating those that are experiencing the second death is going in a lake of fire and brimstone. Then by comparing scripture with scripture we can know how long this SECOND DEATH will last.
    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (same lake that the unbelievers are cast into), where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER.
    It’s a continual punishment day and night; there is no relief and it ETERNAL, FOREVER and EVER.

    John 5:28 Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, to the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of DAMNATION.
    God here is declaring that those that had physically died, they have experience the FIRST DEATH which is only temporal in nature, are now being raised up to stand for JUDGEMENT. What is happening to those that have done evil? First of all, the first death can’t hide them. They are being call out of the grave; they are being reunited with their spirit again (their spirits being eternal in nature), to be under DAMNATION. Again comparing scripture with scripture to find truth and let the bible define itself. We see in
    Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the DEAD, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the DEAD were judged out of those books, according to their works.
    The exact same language of John 5:28 All that had previously experienced the 1st death. Are now alive again, being resurrected to stand trial for their evil works.

    Verse 13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works.
    Nowhere to HIDE, even if you cremate the body and spread your ashes in the ocean, outer space, or in the lowest depths of the earth you can’t escape being judge by God. God command will go forth and the dead will hear his voice and they will come forth to be judge of God to receive the demand of the law, ETERNAL DAMNATION for the payment or wages of sin.

    Verse 14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the SECOND DEATH, (even) the lake of fire.
    So to sum up: God declares the wages or payment for sin is death, and the death that God has in view is the second death which is Eternal, meaning it will last forever and ever. And since Sin requires for its payment the Death which we now know as the Second Death known as the lake of fire being under DAMNATION or torment for Eternity.
    Sin, which is the breaking of the law of God, demands payment. Like any violation of law theirs a fine (payment), sentence (payment) or citation (payment). This offender if caught and found guilty requires some sort of restoration to be carried out, whether in money or time. In our judicial system the punishment fits the crime. If you are a murderer then your life should be taken. If you are found to be a thief, then repayment should be in order and time in jail should be given. This is found to be just and good. A man should not go unpunished for his crimes against man. So in regards to the case of our Sin against God, the crime is not against man, but in fact against the King of kings. The unsaved and the evil done will be brought to GOD THE JUDGE. And the demands of the Law will be carried out. The punishment will fit the crime. Eternal Damnation according to God’s law. And just like in our judicial system, when payment by either time, money or both has been paid then the criminal is said to have paid for his crimes and then allowed to go free. So to in God’s Judicial system the unsaved will serve the sentence for their crime(sins) by fulfilling their sentence. They won't be set free until they paid the very last mite. However, there is one Major problem. The problem is, the sentence is Death (remember its not physical death but ETERNAL DEATH). That’s forever and ever. the unsaved will be paying for their sins (in torment) day and night throughout eternity, remember their physical body was resurrected to live forever under DAMNATION.
    There will be no reprieve in eternity. In our judicial system if the electricity were to fail at the moment of execution we would be spared. Not a chance in hell, the flames of the Lake of Fire will not cease from its burning, but the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever. The Punishment is a Righteous Judgment and fits the crime the Law demands. So the answer is not whether Eternal Damnation will pay for anyone’s sins but rather those that are call to this judicial tribunal will in fact be paying for sins throughout eternity in a resurrected body that lives on forever and ever serving time (paying) for their sins.
     
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    Truth101, said
    You are contradicting the scriptures and yourself in this one statement. First you quote Romans 5:8 as if this scripture proves that your very next statement rings true when in fact it has nothing to do with punishment or Gods inability to love sinners. The scripture you quote is speaking exact opposite of what you are saying it is. The scripture says that God commends His love to sinners.


    My statement was: God only loves those (His people, remnant chosen by grace) whose sins have been paid for by His Son Jesus Christ.

    Romans 5:8 God commended his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    And the point being was, the US in this passage, it is God’s people, the remnant chosen by grace whose sins have been paid for by His Son Jesus Christ. That’s it, no one else period. Unless God commends His love, no one could, would or should be saved.


    My next statement was: If God loved everyone, then there’s no need of Eternal Damnation to pay for sins.

    Romans 8:36 If God is for us, who can be against us?
    If Christ paid for everyone’s sins then there is no sin that can send us to Hell.
    Truth101, said: You continue to quote scripture than make comments that have nothing to do with the very scriptures you quote.

    I continued to quote scriptures after I made my next statement:If God loved everyone, then there’s no need of Eternal Damnation to pay for sins.


    Truth101, said: What does Romans 8:36 have to do with Christ paying for our sins and sins sending us to hell? Sorry, I really don't understand

    Again Please read the Scriptures again carefully:
    Let’s start out by understanding the context of
    Romans 8:1 there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
    Condemnation is the judicial act of declaring one guilty, and dooming him to punishment.
    The chapter has everything to say about Christ paying for the sins of God’s people, the remnant chosen by grace. Again Christ atoning work on the cross did pay the penalty that the Law demanded as a Sinner. Eternal Condemnation, but marvelously the scripture say’s that those which are in Christ Jesus, do not have to stand before God the Judge to pay for their own sins, since Christ paid the penalty on the cross coming under the demands of the Law, (Eternal Damnation) for His people only,
    Them, which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Verse 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
    The elect are set free from the demands, the penalty of the Law, which required eternal Death because of Sin. No longer will the sins of the elect be remember any more. Christ has fully satisfied the Law through the sacrifice of Himself.
    Verse 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    God declares that he sent his Son forUS God qualifies who the US is, when God states who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The US is again in this passage is God’s people. God also tells us here why they will not experience Eternal Damnation, because the sins of His sheep became His sins. Christ took all the sins, every last one before God the Judge. This exact same precept is found in
    2Corinthians 5:21 For God has made Christ TO BE SIN FOR US,

    Back to verse 3 and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
    Because of the penalty of sin that needed to be paid, Christ in His flesh, full of the sins of his sheep. These sins were brought before the throne of God and then Christ was found guilty for the sins of his people. Sentence was given that which was demanded by the Law, which is eternal death. Christ being Eternal God Himself could pay the price of the Laws demands, eternal damnation and did pay for every last sin. So that the saying could be brought to pass, Death is swallowed up in Victory.

    Back to verse 3 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
    What is the righteousness of the law? It is to be obedient to the Law. It is a Love for God and for your neighbor, which is according to
    Romans 13:10 the fulfilling of the law.
    Now because His people sins have been paid for, they are no longer under condemnation, no longer do they have to stand and await the verdict of guilty being declared of them. Righteousness has been found in them now. Their sins completely appeased. For sin, from now on shall not have dominion over them; for they are not under the law, but under grace.
     
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    Truth101, said: What does Romans 8:36 have to do with Christ paying for our sins and sins sending us to hell? Sorry, I really don't understand

    So the context leading up to verse 36 has everything to do with Christ paying for the sins of HIS PEOPLE. And because Christ only paid for the sins of HIS PEOPLE, the UNSAVED, who walk after the flesh will have to pay for their own sins. They will appear before God judgment seat to receive the punishment for the things done in their body.


    Truth101, said: Then you say "If God loved everyone"
    If God loved everyone, then there’s no need of Eternal Damnation to pay for your sins.
    Romans 8:31 If God is for us, who can be against us?

    Backing up to verse 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
    Remember that to them that love God, are those whose walk in the spirit fulfilling the law, obedient to God once again, because Christ cleansed and purge away the iniquity found in His people. Those are the called according to his purpose.

    Truth101, said: ... Then you say that our sins can be paid for through eternal damnation.
    If God loved everyone, then there’s no need of Eternal Damnation to pay for your sins.
    Romans 8:31 If God is for us, who can be against us?
    Because if Christ paid the penalty for the unsaved sins, then there would be no need of any Judgment whatsoever because the Law demands would have been settle, just like in the case of the SAVED. This was a statement indicating, since there still is a Judgment Day to be reckon with for the UNSAVE, this is evidence that God doesn’t love everyone. Because if in fact, If God is for us (Loves us), and if us means (every single person) then, who can be against us? would be indicating that nothing including the Law would be against us, demanding punishment for their sins. I was making a rhetorical statement. Since that wasn’t the case there will be UNSAVE PEOPLE being cast into the lake of fire, for the payment of the Laws price. Paying the price of eternal damnation because GOD IS NOT FOR THEM. Who can be against us? GOD HIMSELF WILL BE AGAINST THEM! God will be the Judge and Jury and then pronounce the Death penalty, that being eternal Damnation. The unsaved will pay the Laws price throughout eternity, which begins on the LAST DAY and then never ends. .



    Truth101, said: .. Well, If our sins can be paid for through eternal damnation (according to your own words) than the debt would still be paid
    The debt could never be paid if full, because it is eternal in nature, the paying of the debt would never cease because the sentence is forever. . In fact I didn’t use the word paid. I used the word PAY. Pay is used in the present or future tense. Paid is past tense, meaning already an accomplish fact, which cannot be attributed to the UNSAVED since they are still waiting Judgment day. Paid can only be attributed to Christ, who already completed the task of being the Lamb slain for the sins of His people.
     
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    Truth101, said: and to torture any longer than is needed to pay the debt would just be vindictive and worthless. I hope you see what you are saying.
    So since the Law demands retribution for their sins and the payment is Eternal punishment. And since eternity is forever there torture will continue throughout time indefinitely. So the torture is not vindictive and worthless, but rather God's punishment is holy, and just, and good. the punishment fits the crime.





    If Christ paid for everyone’s sins then there is no sin that can send us to Hell.
    Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Verse 39 Nothing shall be able to separate us from the LOVE of GOD, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Truth101, said: Now, you even go as far as to quote a scripture that disproves you altogether. Remember "God so loved the WORLD..."?
    .John 3:16 say’s For God so loved the WORLD
    John 3:16 didn’t say For God so loved EVERY PERSON in the world. Try not to read more into the passage that what is written.


    Truth101, said: Now who or what can seperate the WORLD from the love of God? Nothing can seperate His love from us. Did something seperate His love from the time the scripture "God so loved the WORLD"
    Again nothing can separate CHRIST’S PURCHASED PEOPLE, from the LOVE OF GOD.




    Truth101, said: He (according to your theology) decided to just love the righteous?
    No, I never said God decided to just love the righteous? I’ve been saying that God only loves HIS People. In fact they are the most unworthy, the most undeserving sinners of themselves. The scriptures are very clear in:
    Romans 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no not one.
    Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
     
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    good post, i agree that is what the bible teaches. Jesus was the second Adam, he kept interity to his Father , but the first Adam did not keep interity.
    The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam [Jesus Christ] became a life-giving spirit. The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven."—1 Corinthians 15:45, 47. and yes as you said he came down because he wanted too.
    Jesus "emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake." Jesus upheld the rightfulness of his Father’s rule,
    For Jesus faithfulness, "God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth .
    (1 John 4:10) The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
    For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life
     
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