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Featured Does God question his existence?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Dec 28, 2018.

  1. Jedster

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    According to the Rig Veda creation hymn. The answer is : Maybe or maybe not.(see last line)
    HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
    1. THEN was not non-existent nor existent: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
    What covered in, and where? and what gave shelter? Was water there, unfathomed depth of water?
    2 Death was not then, nor was there aught immortal: no sign was there, the day's and night's divider.
    That One Thing, breathless, breathed by its own nature: apart from it was nothing whatsoever.
    3 Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos.
    All that existed then was void and form less: by the great power of Warmth was born that Unit.
    4 Thereafter rose Desire in the beginning, Desire, the primal seed and germ of Spirit.
    Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
    5 Transversely was their severing line extended: what was above it then, and what below it?
    There were begetters, there were mighty forces, free action here and energy up yonder
    6 Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
    The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?
    7 He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it,
    Whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not.

    Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.
     
  2. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Advaita Vedantin
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    God, as I view the concept, doesn't wonder. God is without such mortal attributes. God simply observes. God simply is.

    In Hinduism, there is are two concepts of God (Brahman), Saguna and Nirguna. The former is God with attributes, the latter is God without. I see the former as a tool(s) to realize the latter.
     
  3. stvdv

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    If we are all sparks of the Divine then we are in a way God. So the answer would be "At least on RF God is constantly wondering how or why...."
     
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    My guess: "third eye" is meant in this context (otherwise it would state "eyes"). So it's about awareness/witness. Not about "intellectual knowing"
     
  5. Father Heathen

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    What if god had an existential crisis and then took himself out of existence?
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    That would depend upon the person thinking that given they are the ones controlling their own God.
     
  7. Jedster

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    You may verily be correct or perhaps not :cool:
     
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  8. stvdv

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    Very True: that's where it comes down to all the time "To Be or Not To Be"
    Rig Veda seeing here made my heart jump. Thanks.
     
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    Everyone is curious about their origins. We're still trying to map the path from chemistry to biochemistry, and I dare say God is still trying to map the path from nature to supernature, and the evolution of [his] ancestors.
     
  10. taykair

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    I wasn't going to respond to this. I really, really wasn't. But I just can't help myself.

    Isn't the cause for "deciding you wanted to know" the same as that thing which we call "wondering"? If so, then it would seem that your statement is saying, "But suppose then that you wondered about what it felt like to wonder...".

    Or am I missing something? I wonder...
     
  11. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Good question..

    No. God doesn't think;

    1) Not constrained within time.
    2) No need.
     
  12. Salvador

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    No, but maybe God does question His God's existence... :D
     
  13. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    How would a non-interventionist God be distinguishable from no God?
     
  14. Mindmaster

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    This presumes "God" has any thoughts on the matter at all, and that is yet to be proven. :D
     
  15. dianaiad

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    Well now, I wouldn't know. Why don't you ask Him?
     
  16. Shantanu

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    Reality just is: Existence.
     
  17. Fool

    Fool ALL in all
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    i did but i don't anymore. i know now why i am.


    giggles
     
  18. lukethethird

    lukethethird Well-Known Member

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    God surely doubts a higher power which makes Him an atheist.
     
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  19. dianaiad

    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    ah, yet another 'I refute it thus..." kicker of stones.

    Succinct, but not precisely helpful as an argument. ;)
     
  20. Shantanu

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    Are you fed up of living?
     
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