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Does God have a literal wife?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Sakla, Jul 27, 2021.

  1. Sakla

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    This is for Christians to consider...if the Bible states we are made in Gods image in the respect that we have families...a mom and dad who have children. Then why would it be too far fetched to believe that God has a literal real wife??!! I believe that the story of Adam and Eve is a parable for the story of this possible truth. Here is my evidence scripturally: The Bible is first very clear that Adam (who I believe is God himself, a perfected physical man, but not human) did not sin, but was dragged into the actions that Eve caused - 1 Timothy 2:14 states: " And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I understand that theology teaches that the wife spoken of is Israel his children, but if that were the case, there are a lot of very sexual verses that speak of this wife and I think that would be perverse if it were speaking of children. God is not perverse. Maybe Eve, being God's wife became what native Americans and other religions believe is "Mother Earth" or the energy that holds the creation together, like our earthly mother does us. Another scriptural example, that demonstrates that God has a literal wife is found in Isaiah: "Isaiah 54:5- For thy maker is thine Husband the Lord of Hosts is his name; and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; the God of the whole earth shall he be called.", It then goes on to make a distinction between his children and her...God is not talking to his children Israel, but his literall wife, otherwise, it wouldn't make this distinction- Isaiah 54:14- And all thy children, shall be taught of the Lord, and great shall be the peace of thy children." And again, because of what Eve or his wife did, it caused Adam or rather God to be dragged into this mess and he died in a sense for it, making her a widow. Isaiah 54:1 " Sing, I barren, thou that didn't not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didn't not travail with child. For more are the children of the widow, then the married wife, saith the Lord." It also states that the woman would be saved in child birth, but be in pain: 1 Timothy 2:15. It is also clear that she as a widow became creation or the energy of it, with her children...making a distinction that creation is separate from the children... Romans 8:19 " For the earnest expectation of the creation, waiteth for the expectation of the sons of God." Verse 22, stated it's like child birth. Then there is the obvious verse in Revelation 19:7 which describes a woman dressed for her husband and there is a distinction, separate from what is taught about Israel being a " bride"... It clearly states, that this woman is a wife, not a bride..."marriage of the lamb has come and his WIFE hath made herself ready." Isaiah 54 states that the woman spoken of is eventually reconciled to her husband, Isaiah 54:6- "For the Lord hath called the as a woman forsaken, and grieved in spirit, and a WIFE of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God." If Eve, God's wife became the energy of creation, then that would explain why Jesus gave the parable of the wife married to seven brothers, which one of the seven is she married to..." God is clear in Isaiah, he reconciled with the wife of his youth. You are still married to your original husband. The mystery of the seven brothers, which one if the seven? The first, or in this case God who must be Adam and she is Eve. I don't believe that God has this name or his wife, that was just a parable.
     
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    The name “Asherah” has sometimes been attributed to the wife or consort of the Abrahamic Supreme God, but unfortunately, this is not currently a canon perspective among modern Abrahamic religions.
     
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  3. dybmh

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    Hi Sakla, nice to meet you. I'm not Christian, but I have a questions about this.

    In Deuteronomy 4, Moses is instructing the Israelites not to make graven images of anything ( including the male and female form ) even though back in Genesis 1 there is, as you're aware, the famous verse about creating humans, male and female, in God's image.

    Have you considered this apparent contradiction? To me, these two verses can be reconciled by considering the instructions in Deut. to be a warning. Maybe Moses is saying, eventhough male and female were created in God's image, the Israelites shouldn't approach their relationship with God through these forms. If so, the theopomorphisms in Isaiah would likely be intended to be metaphorical so as not to encroach on Moses words of caution in Deut. 4.

    This isn't intended to devalue your experiences; I'm simply curious how you would reconcile the idea of God as formless in Deuteronomy , with the idea of a literal wife that you've described in the OP.

    Thank you,
     
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    Isn't it more accurate to attribute Asherah to Canaanite religions?
     
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    No, but family is derived from his name Ar-Rahman (The compassionate to all) and get's it's truth and reality from it. All relationships are created through Divine names of God as well.
     
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    My understanding is that early on, Yaweh was part of a pantheon and was the god of storms and warriors. Some subcultures in the region like the Jews started worshipping him as their main god, as a form of Henotheism. That is a type of religious belief that holds one preferred god among many to be the most important and powerful god. (Hence the commandment to have "no other gods before me.")

    Eventually the religion evolved its beliefs, like all religions constantly do, and these folks started to proclaim he was the only real god. A lot of religion's appeal is how it helps you feel special and like you're the member of an exclusive club, and that kind of belief would do it. I think in the original pantheon, though, Yaweh did have a wife and children.

    I don't have all the sources on me and I'm not particularly well-read on this, but as usual the Wikipedia page on Yaweh is a good place to start.
     
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    My personal belief is that God In deed has a literal perfect form of a man, but that is only for his wife to see and his wife's form or body is only for him to see. The law to Israel is for the same reason we aren't to guess or see our parents naked or in the bedroom. The marriage bed is undefiled. Yes, I believe he is intimate or will be with his wife in another abode separate from where we will be. Everything here on earth mirrors heaven. Human families have a mom and dad, who have a separate bedroom from the children. Our minds will not be perverse, we'll be as children and what God and his wife do with one another will be private and won't come to mind with his children. God created the institution of marriage and the expression of love through sex. It shouldn't be made perverse. Our parents made us through sex and lived each other by being together as we grew up, most of us never knew or thought about this. Why would God want to be alone. Our parents are the reflection of God who is as a man, but perfect, who also has a wife, not human. I believe she does not have powers as he does, but is the weaker vessel as it states, not a Goddess.
     
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    Thank you for that, I came across that before and forgot the word.
     
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    Maybe God went through everything to reach his wife.
     
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    My personal belief which mirrors the stories in the Bible that reference "his wife" consorting with pagan nations, is that God became the God of every nation to reach his wife, over and over throughout time. We weren't to worship the king's or God's of the world, although they were the true God, but not his true image which we aren't to see. Our parents private relationship is between them, including arguments. I believe this happened, but we weren't to know God did this to reconcile his marriage to his wife. He may have even made her human, to teach her a lesson. I think of Nefertiti, which means " the beautiful one has come."
     
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    Does God have a literal wife?

    IF God is Creator THEN I see Creation as His Wife
     
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    I understand it same way.
     
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  13. Sakla

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    I believe, she died because of separating from God her husband and became creation to teach her a lesson and to reconcile with her. I don't believe she is a Goddess or has power's. I believe she may be the Holy Spirit, which gnostic Christians believe, it's case sensitive gender in greek is feminine when translated.
     
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    It sounds like one of the concepts introduced by Sun Myung Moon or possibly one introduced by Joseph Smith. Each of these had very strong emphasis upon the differences between males and females and suggesting that these reflected aspects God. Actually I think Joseph Smith taught that God had a wife, but Rev. Moon may not have...not sure.

    Sun Myung Moon - Wikipedia
    Joseph Smith - Wikipedia

    As a basic Christian, no, I don't think God has a wife and has no human characteristics. We attempt to relate to God in ways that we understand, so we use words like 'Hands' and verbs like 'Do' which don't apply to God.
     
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    That is how I kind of see it also

    I did not know, but it does make sense from my POV
     
  17. Sakla

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    In your opinion, why wouldn't it couldn't God be physical? I believe that's limiting the possibility of how amazing and cool God is. We didn't create modern things, he did long before humans thought they designed them. We'd be in the dark ages still, if he didn't reveal through us what he is like.
     
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    Everyone born again as a whole are God's wife. God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and doesn't have any of the desires of the flesh. The intimacy of God is not sexual. Rather it's spiritual communion. That is oneness with God's Spirit. There is no other wife for God. She is the eternal wife of God. He knew her before all along. This is why he made everything. The reason she was widowed is because Jesus died and the reason she is restored is because she rose from the dead. This means she also has risen with Christ because she is the body of Christ. This is why the symbolism of Adam taking the forbidden fruit for love of his wife who came from his own body. Jesus does this also as it says "he became sin who knew no sin".

    The reason Jesus became sin was because he took the curse that was written in the Law of Moses. "Cursed of God is everyone who hangs on a tree". This means Jesus took all the curses on himself. Even on his head and put them to death so he could rise free from sin. Sin would remain in the grave while he would be free. And through that resurrection power he could save her. His Eve, his bride. Because she also would through him put sin to death and rise from the dead free.

    And so all will be in Christ in the end.

    The connection with the "mother earth" is interesting because we humans were created from earth. But that doesn't mean God is literally married to the earth. Rather I would say it's more symbolic.
     
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    Basically correct
     
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    Its not that you can't believe in something like God but with a shape, but its not talking about the same thing. The word is already taken and implies no shape. Believe whatever. The term implies something with no shape and invisible and intangible. If the term 'God' came to mean something that had a shape, was tangible, was visible or something else then a new term would have to be made to replace 'God'. Its like if triangle came to mean something with four sides you'd still need some word for shapes with three sides. There is a need for this word 'God' to describe something that has no shape. The word is already in use and doesn't refer to things with shape. This doesn't mean you can't believe in something like God that has a shape. It means that isn't God but some other thing with some other word like Omega Being or something distinctive.
     
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