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Does God Hate?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Ardhanariswar, May 29, 2005.

  1. Ardhanariswar

    Ardhanariswar I'm back!

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  2. MatCauthorn

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    In order for your views to be clear, I think you may have to put yourself in the category which states that, at least on some level, humans can't understand what God is like. Our understanding of things, after all, is based entirely on our senses. Therefore we can't say that God's love is like light because our experience of light is, as Tawn pointed out, one of gradations. In fact, everything we experience is experienced in different forms, levels, amounts, etc. through our senses.

    -- Mat
     
  3. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    The idea of God and his Love being light were not my own. I am not that philosophical.

    However, I fully agree that we are incredibly limited in our understanding of God.

    I also believe that it really doesn't matter if we fully understand God. We just need to accept and obey him.
     
  4. Tawn

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    If I dont understand a lot about someone, is it wise to obey that person? How can I trust that their intentions are not to my detriment? They may be misleading me in all that they do.
     
  5. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    My toddler hardly knew me at all... she couldn't say my name, and she had no idea about any of my personal data. Yet she knew I loved her with all my heart, and so she loved back. It's easy to trust when you see the love.

    Yet, as much as I loved my daughter, God has loved me even more.

    Romans 5:6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. NIV
     
  6. Ormiston

    Ormiston Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps all children love their parents, but all parents do not love their children.
     
  7. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Hmnnn... sort of the reverse for God then. He loves us all, but very few choose to love him back. :D
     
  8. NothingIsNot

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    All parents love their children, all children love their parents.
     
  9. Ormiston

    Ormiston Well-Known Member

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    I beg to differ.
     
  10. MatCauthorn

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    While I don't dispute that you love(d) your daughter very much, this is perhaps not a fitting analogy. To be sure, your daughter knew that you took care of her needs, but I think it would be a stretch to say that a toddler can feel love, or that she would have the information and experience necessary to know that someone felt love for her.

    Not to be a hard-hearted skeptic or anything... :rolleyes:

    -- Mat
     
  11. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Would I be correct to assume that you don't have any children?
     
  12. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    God does not have human emotions. God is love. But not love as most of us know it. It is easy for a mother to love her child. But what if that child becomes a murderer? Unconditional love is very hard to achieve. Unconditional love is what God is. Hate is merely a shadow.
     
  13. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    How do we know? If God did not have emotions, than how can He love? As I've mentioned before, according to Biblical Scripture, God loves the person unconditionally, but hates the sin in one's life. Also, in Genesis, God stated, "Let us make man in our own image". So I am not inclined to think that God does not have emotions. I think throughout the Bible you will see God engaged in many emotions reflecting His love, mercy, grace and hatred (towards sinful behaviour and disobedience).:)
     
  14. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    In reality, when we do evil, we set up the mechanisms of evil in the world. When we suffer the consequences of that evil, the Bible may poetically say, "God has become angry with us." Effective poetical language, but not strictly accurate. You have to know what Unconditional Love is. And this is God. Unconditional Love, and hate cannot exist together.
     
  15. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    Then why had God historically rendered judgement throughout the Bible against those evil doers and those who disobeyed His will in a literal sense?:)
     
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    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    It is the way they knew how to describe it. It's not punishment for our actions, but consequences of our actions. Abraham sinned several times, yet he is under the grace of God.
     
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    blueman God's Warrior

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    And who allows those consequences to occur in one's life as a result of disobendience. Abraham was under God's grace and God wanted to accomplish His will through Abraham to be the father of many nations, but when Abraham disobeyed God's will, the consequences from those decisions were a direct result of God allowing it to happen. When Abraham and Sarah doubted God concerning the birth of a child, even at Sarah's old age, they attempted it to make it happen another way by having Abraham sleep with their servant. They suffered the consequences of that decision and God rendered judgement on the future relations between Ishmael and Issaac (the son God finally blessed Abraham and Sarah with) in that they would always be divided and in conflict with one another. God loves the person, but hates and will discipline the sinful behaviour in one's life. :)
     
  18. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    God is unconditional love. Unconditional Love graced Abraham and Sarah. By their sinnful actions, they turned away from unconditional love, and suffered consequences. Just like when we turn away from a light, and suffer darkness.
     
  19. blueman

    blueman God's Warrior

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    But who allows or facilitates those circumstances from occuring in our lives as a result of those actions?:)
     
  20. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    The laws of spirituality. Our physical bodies are bound by the laws of physics and our spirits are bound by the laws of spirituality.
    The law(power) of the word
    The law of Karma
    The law of prosperity
    The law of forgiveness
     
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