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Atleast I found an enlightened christian :bow:
So will you now answer me few basic questions from Bible.
I follow Vedic religion and not the Hinduism of present time.
If god takes ransom from others to forgive sinner than it shows the corrupt nature of god.
So let's start with genesis.........
Will you please explain how earth was formless.
Was this surface of earth??
Where was this surface of water ??
God said?? To whom??
Your god created sky.
From where did water appeared?? I still did not understood.
What were those two lights?? Sun and moon I guess. Were they created after earth?? What about stars??
Ah, but MY religion teaches that the Battle of Armageddeon already took place in 1918, near the end of World War I!:
That was the year British General Allenby defeated the Turks on the Plain of Megiddo (aka "Armageddon") not far from Haifa, thus preventing them from carrying out their planned atrocities.
Peace,
Bruce
Please quit making stuff up. It requires time I do not have to show it as such. He was a Hindu and then became a Christian long before he ever went to college. he cared so much about faith that he devoted his life to it's study.
If you meant No instead of Now then this is just plain false.
You are not reading carefully. I did not say he knew Hinduism and then said he did not. I (at that time) had not claimed he knew Hinduism yet. I only had said (at that time) that he was born in India and his family were Hindu leaders. I was making a comment about what I claimed not what he knew. I have been doing this a long time and most of the time I qualify my remarks on purpose because my arguments can't be overcome except in a technical and meaningless semantic ways that have no real explanatory power or scope.
I do not remember. Who cares? Whether the site was accurate or not the number seems to be very low.
Your God and my God had the same people to work through. My God could even motivate the lazy people to do this: The United Bible Socities in October 2011 said that there were 469 languages with a complete Bible, and 2527 with at least some portion of scripture translated. The Catholic Biblical Federation in October 2008 said there were 438 complete translations and 2454 partials - close enough to be considered agreement. According to UBS ten languages acquired a complete Bible last year. 135 have the deuterocanonical books.
If you cannot discuss these issues without throwing around false accusations then we will not have one. Where is your honor and decorum? I never ever even thought the Bible exists in all languages. What I actually said is this:
and that is an absolute fact. The fact that Sanskrit was so little used and Greek and Hebrew so widely used is my point. In fact Koine Greek is one of if not the most descriptive language in history. No God would bury his revelations in obscure languages and then expect more than .1% of teh people to understand. He would do exactly what my God did; put it in widely used languages squarely on a widely used trade route. Preserve and protect it and cause it to be translated into thousands of languages.
Easy is a subjective value but a religion still mired in it's original little used language after thousands of years is still at the starting Gate and is not suggestive of any God worth worshiping. The goal of life is to re-establish a connection with God that was broken long ago. That is made harder by your God and has overcome infinite boundaries with mine.
Why did you give me a link to Galileo? You know he was a Christian don't you. Well it is more than I can put in a hundred forums but I will give you a few. First there is no proof for any God. We have to evaluate the issue like and other historical, theological, or philosophic claim. By probability and reasoned conclusion.
I found the thread but not your comments.
Ok, why is the greatest example of human conduct found in the Bible alone? Why are more of histories experts in science, evidence, testimony, textual criticism, history, and philosophy Christian than any other religion? What are the characteristics of your God besides inability to have his word read and understood by more than 1% of the population?
How does designating a time for Judgement mean lazyness?
I don't agree with the whole "bible in every language means my God is not lazy" argument. In fact, I don't believe in any argument for laziness directed at a God. For laziness to exist, the lack of effort needs to exist as well. However, God, who is all-powerful and limitless, needs no effort to accomplish any given thing at any given time.You said that your god made Bible available in every language. Its pure lie. Bible is translated in different languages by people. Old testement was orignally written in Hebrew and New testements in greek (Source- wiki and biblica.com). Both were maijor language of that time and spoken by people of particular area. While Sanskrit was never a language of mass. It was equally hard for all to learn it (It still is). So now who is more logical. One who throws books in a language which is spoken by a people of particular area or other who treat all equally
Because God judges each and every second.
But bible goes against this fact.
Clearly my god is bounded by it's own rules
God is definately justice loving but this comment was for you as your god takes the ransom which shows corrupt nature.
OK, so in short my belief is...
This makes no sense....All this shows is that your God is perhaps limited by time and needs every second to be able to get through all the "files".... Just to humor you though, the reason why our God doesn't judge every second is because he wants to give you a chance to repent. Someone who is judged, by definition, gets a verdict on his judgement. However, God, who is so caring and loving of his people, allows us the time required to repent for all our sins before we get judged. Sounds like your God is more evil than mine...
How so?
My God can do all those things, but doesn't necessarily. To say that my God can't would mean that he has limits.Clearly my god is bounded by it's own rules
It can't die, It can't forgive sinners, It can't create another god who equals to it, It can't do injustice etc.
One will only know at the day of judgment
Actually I would have said we all will not know as a whole until then. However I myself and tens of millions of others believe as strongly as possible we felt the weight of sin removed from our hearts in an event the character of which leaves little room for doubt for us. However as I understand it Muhammad himself had no idea if he would make it. That is about the biggest red flag possible to me.
That iis how I feel when my face is on the ground in prostration
But I nor my heart is God.
God is definately justice loving but this comment was for you as your god takes the ransom which shows corrupt nature.
I do not agree but as there is no way to settle the issue I will not attempt it. I will only add that if the two experiences were the same you would not have made your initial comment. When I experienced God there was no doubt that my sins had been forgiven and no possible counter explanation for the effects I experienced.
That is a common Islamic claim. Staring at Islam is like staring at the sun, it can't be done for long because it is painful. I do not think I know you so let me clarify what I think about Islam. I think it is wrong and terribly wrong. I believe it's a far less theologically, philosophically, and historically justified faith on every level things like this are examined compared with the Bible. However I like many Muslims, Islamic architecture, and Arabian history. I take people one at a time, and I judge concepts not people in debate so take nothing I say personally.