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Does God forgive???

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Sumit, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. starlite

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    Excuse me please...but it is hard to discern what you believe. It appears that you do not believe even your own holy writings.

    Respectfully,
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  2. Sumit

    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    Our religion has thousands of scriptures but I only believe Vedas which are Authority Scriptures. :)
     
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    I believe the Bible to be a guide for daily living. It is God’s instruction manual on how to be happy and successful in life. All of it can be understood for it was authored by God and written specifically for the human family.

    (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) NWT. . .All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. . .
     
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    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    So if all scriptures are inspired by God than why Bible claims that only way to reach god is through Jesus. These two are contradictory. :D
     
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    I had explained Jesus' role in a previous post....perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I apologize. [​IMG]
     
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    I think I would get what I give. I would be treated by God as I treat people. I'd forgive people only if he asks for forgiveness. So, yes, I believe God would forgive me if I ask for forgiveness but believing that God would forgive me anyway and keep doing the same thing that make me ask for forgiveness is not being smart, it is being an idiot

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    He is who is called when comparative religions are the subject. He is professionally trained to understand different theologies and he has personal experience with Hinduism. He was trained by the best universities to understand Hinduism. He is as competent with Hinduism as Hawkins is with Physics. He is as well trained in theology as Einstein was at math. He is an internationally respected expert. Are you? If you can't demonstrate why you are capable of judging his claims then why should I think you can. If you claim you are capable of judging a scholar so well known to be a brilliant master of theology without a large amount of undeniable reasons you can't expect anyone to believe you. It is possible you may be right but the odds you know more than Ravi are about a million to one unless you can prove it. I studied engineering and math but I would bet neither me or you can build a sophisticated bridge. Why is it you assume you can surpass Ravi's expertise? That is one bold claim, he is a legend in comparative theology and philosophy.

    There are less than 200 hundred Sanskrit scholars in the world. How many of them do you know? Are you one? You said 70% has never been translated. That God is lazy.

    Any God who requires everyone to learn Sanskrit to relate to him is diabolical. My God made the Bible available in more languages than any other book. The former is illogical and trivial. The latter is logical and practical and consistent with a loving God..
    A God that will not budge even though 95% of the world can't read his words is not a God I would worship. If after thousands of years his words were still not available to 95% of people and he is still unwilling to allow them to be translated then he is petty and trivial. How can any God that dooms 95% of people to wander in darkness for the petty reason that he only like Sanskrit by a God that should not be resented. My God hung on a cross and suffered so that I might know him, apparently yours will not lift a finger. My God is consistent with his revelations AND his words are available in their language to more people than any other religion in history.
    Our soul does not occupy a place and so has little to do with omnipresence. Our soul exists in a spiritual relationship not a physical one.
    That is what I said.
    What evidence can you supply that indicates any of this is consistent with reality. I can show what the Bible claims to perfectly fit what science and philosophy has concluded about the past and life. How can you do this? I think India can be said to be anything but liberated. It is over crowded, poor, and at times corrupt. My brother created a company in India and he has traveled the world. He said he has never seen such poverty. Why is the west so much more advanced and prosperous if only Hindus are liberated?

    Qualifications do not prove someone to be knowledgeable but they do indicate it very strongly. In fact in industry qualifications are mandatory for many complex tasks specifically because people who do not have them yet claim to be competent usually aren't. I have a math degree and still would not expect you to believe I know better than Einstein about time. The same that until you demonstrate it overwhelmingly you can't expect me to believe you know more than Ravi. BTW he has the accomplishments in addition to the qualifications. That is why universities request him not us to debate theology. Without a degree you were never exposed to a fraction of the information people who have them were.
    Why is Hinduism never mentioned as one of the great monotheistic religions of the world? Why is Abraham credited with being the first monotheist in history? BTW I said in India not necessarily in Hinduism but different Hindus believe in a different amount of Gods. I asked that question in a Hinduism thread and I think every Hindu had a different answer.
    WeIl I asked about one above, but let me ask another. Is the Universe, time, and space eternal?
    It is impossible to discuss these issues without saying negative things about the others country and or God. Please take nothing personal and so far you have been very civil. I will say that people who debate oriental religions are normally very respectful.
     
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    The Bible not only is the most textually accuratereligious book in ancient history, it is the most textually accurate book of any kind in ancient history. This is something you can verify at home with available software. Jesus is the most textually attested character in ancient history of any kind. To give an example both Caesar’s Gallic wars and the Peloponnesian wars are taught as facts in colleges today. Both have more than ten times the time between events and oldest copy available and less that 1/100th the amount of extant manuscripts. I do not know where Hindu literature fits on the list because I have never seen it on a list of history’s most accurate ancient texts. The Bible has 25,000 plus historical corroborations, is used as a primary resource in archeology, and is the most studied book in human history. It contains thousands of fulfilled prophecies true in every detail. It is philosophically, scientifically accurate and internally consistent. It was written over almost 2000 years by over 40 authors who maintain a perfect consistency within the narrative. It contains testimony two of history’s greatest experts in testimony and evidence (Simon Greenleaf and Lord Lyndhurst) said meet every standard of modern law and the historical method. The medical details in the crucifixion accounts are perfect descriptions of medical effects of crucifixion according to the most prominent coroners in history. More of history’s great scientists by far have been Christians than any other theological group. As for Christ:

    "The character of Jesus has not only been the highest pattern of virtue, but the strongest incentive to its practice, and has exerted so deep an influence, that it may be truly said, that the simple record of three short years of active life has done more to regenerate and to soften mankind, than all the disquisitions of philosophers and than all the exhortations of moralists."
    William Lecky One of Britain’s greatest secular historians.

    He was the meekest and lowliest of all the sons of men, yet he spoke of coming on the clouds of heaven with the glory of God. He was so austere that evil spirits and demons cried out in terror at his coming, yet he was so genial and winsome and approachable that the children loved to play with him, and the little ones nestled in his arms. His presence at the innocent gaiety of a village wedding was like the presence of sunshine.
    No one was half so compassionate to sinners, yet no one ever spoke such red hot scorching words about sin. A bruised reed he would not break, his whole life was love, yet on one occasion he demanded of the Pharisees how they ever expected to escape the damnation of hell. He was a dreamer of dreams and a seer of visions, yet for sheer stark realism He has all of our stark realists soundly beaten. He was a servant of all, washing the disciples feet, yet masterfully He strode into the temple, and the hucksters and moneychangers fell over one another to get away from the mad rush and the fire they saw blazing in His eyes.
    He saved others, yet at the last Himself He did not save. There is nothing in history like the union of contrasts which confronts us in the gospels. The mystery of Jesus is the mystery of divine personality.
    Scottish TheologianJames Stuart

    I could post countless more facts but no more are necesssary.
     
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    Jesus is “the way” in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God. Why is that so? By proving faithful to death, Jesus gave his life as a ransom sacrifice. Without this ransom provision, it would be impossible for us to have access to God. Sin creates a barrier between humans and God. Jehovah is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. But the sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier and it provided the necessary covering, or atonement, for sin. If we accept God’s provision through Christ and put faith in it, we can enter into Jehovah’s favor.
     
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    To Sumit.....

    What was hoped to be accomplished with the battle of Kurukshetra? I have previously read something about it.
     
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    That Biblical statement does not apply to non biblical scripture. The Bible does not consider Hindu or Islamic texts etc....as scripture. The same way it says other God's are not really God's. In fact it makes fun of them. It was intended to indicate that all parts or the words given by the Biblical God are edifying. No one can claim to go by James and exclude Paul for example.
     
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    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    SO he is one who consider religion as profession.

    Now University are training people to Understand Hinduism?? :(

    But earlier you said……….
    Please don’t change your statements.

    Really??? Where did you get this data?? Wiki I guess.

    No humans are lazy. What about Abhrahmic God that choose a particular day for judgement. Is it not a greater act of lazyness.

    You said that your god made Bible available in every language. It’s pure lie. Bible is translated in different languages by people. Old testement was orignally written in Hebrew and New testements in greek (Source- wiki and biblica.com). Both were maijor language of that time and spoken by people of particular area. While Sanskrit was never a language of mass. It was equally hard for all to learn it (It still is). So now who is more logical. One who throws books in a language which is spoken by a people of particular area or other who treat all equally :)
    God provided humans mind to think and receive knowledge, eyes to see and hands to act. So is it not our duty to know what is unknown? And if you believe that god should provide us everything easily than what is Goal of human birth. Just to get a ticket to heaven.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
    I read Bible few time back but I left it because of it’s fictional story. Can you prove me wrong so that I may accept Christianity. :D
    Why don’t you read my comments in following thread

    http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/144307-need-help.html
    Same thread will answer you……
    http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/144307-need-help.html

    Only Prakriti, Soul and God is eternal
    :D
     
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    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    Oh! In my religion we can be directly experience god. For us there is no need to take the path of son because we consider every soul equally divine and close to god. It is we who are under illusion and do not experience god.

    Sorry again. None can pay for sin of any other person. God is justice loving. It will never punish one for the sin of others. :D
    Destruction of Evil and reestablishment of truth. This war does not talk about any religion. This war is called Dharma Yuddha (Meaning=war for the principles of truth). What you read about the war?? Tell me so that I may answer you in better way. :D
     
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    There appears to be another common ground in both our religions....no doubt you have heard of Armageddon? My religion teaches that this is God's war where he cleanses the earth of all badness and restores the earth to a paradise. The survivors of this war will delight in the establishment of peace, truth and unity worldwide.
     
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    Sumit,
    Everything is determined by the fact of whether you believe the Holy Scriptures or not. If you are a Christian, you understand that God forgives every person who puts his faith in the name of Jesus, the only name given under heaven by which we MUST get saved, Acts 4:12.
    At Ps 86:5, we are told that God forgives, and that, even better, He is ready to forgive. The thing to remember is; God does not forgive everyone, Pro 28:9, Isa 1:15. If we repent of our sins and turn around and try to do the things pleasing to God, He will certainly forgive you, Acts 2:36-39. To show that God forgives, He even gave Jesus, His son, the power to forgive sins, also, Mark 2:1-12.
    Something to remember: God loves the ones who love Him, in truth, Pro 8:17, Ps 145:18. God will aslo kill all those who hate Him, Deut 7:8-10, 2Pet 2:9, 3:7.
     
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    I agree with you that God is a lover of justice. God as the Giver and Enforcer of his decision must abide by his decision to preserve his position as Universal Judge. Granting mercy to a lawbreaker without a legal basis would pervert justice. For justice to be true, divine mercy to sinners must be lawful. So, before sinners can receive forgiveness and be saved, God must be provided with a satisfactory equivalent, or a corresponding ransom. In this way, God would continue to command the respect and obedience of the whole universe. And this was done when Jesus offered his life.
     
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    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    How???

    Yes :)
    I don't believe in word "God's war". It's enlightened Humans who destroys evil and maintains peace. Krishna did the same in war of Mahabharata.

    If god takes ransom from others to forgive sinner than it shows the corrupt nature of god.
    :D
     
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    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    I always search for a reason to accept. How can a person believe something because it is written in scriptures without testing it's authenticity??
    No I am not :D
     
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    I've tested it and I believe it! [​IMG] How can you say you belong to a religion when you don't believe everything it teaches?
     
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    Sumit Sanatana Dharma

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    Atleast I found an enlightened christian :bow:
    So will you now answer me few basic questions from Bible.

    I follow Vedic religion and not the Hinduism of present time. :D
     
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