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Does God Exist?

The bible itself says in Revelations, that God is destined to win and all that could ever happen has already been determined. According to this the fight against God is useless since any who dare to take a stand are destined to burn in hell since God will without a doubt win the fight between good and evil (so act now, hurry hurry and save your soul forever before it's too late!!). This of coarse reminiscent of the the scarcity law you learn in your marketing class in High School.

Anyone who has read the bible knows that God is all knowing and ever-present. God is immune to time and any factor that could be deemed human. He knows what will happen at all times, and knows the outcome of all thoughts and all actions.
With the simple knowledge you now have of God it will be clear that his very existence contradicts his existence. You see...if God is all-knowing and is aware of the outcome of every action then he is responsible for all evil, and has been deliberate or at least willfully blind in instilling pain and suffering amongst all life. You see...with his infinite knowledge of future events, he created (or allowed the existence of) Lucifer the angel with free will, and was aware that Lucifer would in turn defy him and would have to be tossed into depths of hell. So God created Satan knowing exactly what would happen and allowed it to happen on purpose. By Christian logic then, God is the true spawn of all evil.

Since God represents all that is good and is omnipresent, he must also exist in hell. For no space could not be occupied. However, God can't exist in hell because he is the essence of all good. And so God would be flawed if a part of him did encapsulate evil inside any part of space and time. Unless of coarse that space is his creation, and in so he would be become the creator of that is evil. God making Satan without knowing the outcome would be a mistake at a level of enormous magnitude. A flaw in simple terms. But, if he is flawed he can't be God because God exists outside time and would see his own mistakes before and after they would occur. Simply put, he can never make any move without having every possibility accounted for. He's the greatest Chessmaster in existence. He is without the ability to do evil, have evil in him, or make a mistake. Even if you cut off his arms, and gauged his eyes out he could with only his breath hunt you down and rape your girlfriend for an eternity while you blinked. So why create life then?

The only rational explanation would be a diversion to the boredom of his own infinite knowledge and presence. A drama, blockbuster movie, episode of CSI, or as we see it, the human experience. We have all heard the stories from the Bible, and being realistic one would only conclude that the stories are simply that. Stories. All ****ing impossible unless they are historic remnants of advanced beings from distant planets from whom we were bred, used, and left behind and wanted to give us our gilactic Santa Clause who always had a list our of good deeds and misgivings. Let's face it, religion itself is full of numerous contradictions, while even science fails to link modern man to his roots. Darwin himself stated that his entire theory was void upon the discovery on even one living organism that could defy slow meaningful adaptation. Bacterial Flagellum does just that. And there's Noah's arc which could not possibly fit two of all the animals and insects in the world into a boat if they stuffed them with a junkyard trash compactor, while modern archeology finds that modern man existed before his supposed evolutionary cave inhabiting relatives.

By Christian terms the only reasonable explanation for a God would be to satisfy the hunger of a sick power-hungry egomaniac. I mean...guys have G-Spots up their asses and **** are sinning? What's that about? The guy invented dead rotting pussies and road kill. He thought up the idea for ****eating and pig****ing. God is more obscene than the worst hardcore porn publisher for he is the means to create and distribute all that can be experienced. God is the manufacturer of every conceivable thing that is right and wrong with the world, because he made the world. A world in which science shows that even the plants are genetically designed to exploit and attack each other.

A test you say? God actually using energy to refine or double check something he could destroy, recreate, and perfect before you read another word seems careless or redundant at best. He's ****ing perfect. Why waste your time if you already know the answers before the questions are asked unless it's that he revels in the pure sadistic enjoyment of every sin he condones? No, not a test. For God finds little enjoyment in our human trials. A process of spiritual enlightenment for our own good. Our body is simply a vehicle to build the tools we need for our journey to the next level. One that once you discover your relationship to him, you will be free of this material existence. A journey willed upon yourself, and that only you yourself can complete.

I apologize for some of the rude comments in this piece, however, i would like some serious, creative feedback from anyone who should read this. Thank You.
 

Alaric

Active Member
My feedback: Start with some kind of introduction or explanation of the problem you are dealing with, finish with an answer to the problem, or summary of why you couldn't find one. And why do you apologize for the rude comments when the rude comments obviously aren't necessary at all? Either take out the apology, or take out the profanity (preferably the latter).

What do you mean in the last paragraph? Check out the 'Trilemma' thread in the General Religious Discussion forum as well, it deals with the issues you raise.
 
i would just like to say that i didn't wtite this, a friend of mine did, so i wouldn't want to alter it, because it wouldn't be right.
Also, that wasn't the type of feedback i was hoping for, i would like to know what you think of the information in the piece, and the issues it brings up, as well as the theories it proposes, not its presentation. Thank You.
 
Hi Branden Towsend.

Welcome to Religiousforums.

It is true, God Knows everything, past, present and future and all the evil contained therein. even so, I don't hold him responsible for the evil I've commited or the evil commited against me. I truly believe that God is not at fault. God loves us. I don't really know what else to say...

Enjoy

and Jesus loves you!!! :love:
 

Parish

New Member
Brandon if you have ever heard the term "equilibrium", it is the state that for every thing there must be an opposite. Good and evil, life and death, hell and heaven, and for God... he carried the greatest burden the opposite the Devil Satan. I am only 15, and no one has ever considred what I have... I can assure you of that.
 
there is an equalibrium, and god created it. But unless god wanted there to be negativity in the world, why would he have created such a thing?
 
Brandon-

I'm really sorry everyone, maybe I'm just immature (wait, what am I saying "maybe"?) but I thought Branden's "friend's" peice was very funny and brought up some good points.

It's the classic question: if evil exists, then how can God be simultaneously all-powerful AND against evil? If God is all-powerful, and he doesn't want evil to exist- there wouldn't be evil! Now I realize some people will say humanity's free will creates evil- but if our free will over rides God's power, then he isn't all-powerful. And if God is all powerful, then he could give us free will AND eliminate evil, right?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Speaking from a non-christian view point...

perhaps the problem comes from people not wanting to accept that 'god' isn't just a 'good-guy'
creator is ballance... good and evil

for every good thing there is a bad thing... for every pretty butterfuly polinating your garden there is a mosquito who want to suck your blood and possibly give you malaria/west nile.. et cet...

but since your arguing 'god' simply from one books point of view then it doesn't look very good does it? :roll:

Its not eaven a very well written book... :lol:

wa:-do
 

jay1_z

Member
It doesn't seem to me that the 'equillibrium' that is being discussed is as equal as you all may think. God is infinitely more powerful than Satan because he is God. To say that they are equal is like saying a king is equal with his servant in authority over his kingdom. As for the argument of freewill, God's will will be done no matter what. The holdup of his will being accomplished is that God needs us to help accomplish his will. When God created man he gave us dominion over the earth. Because God can't go back on his Word he can't interfere with our lives unless we allow him to. That is the purpose of prayer. Through prayer we are giving God "permission" to bless us. But in order to truly have our prayers answered me must pray that God's will to be done.
 
but by sayin he needs our permission to help says that we are superior to him. It seems that nobody out there can come up with a logical, and feasable rebuttal, which furthermore assures me that my theory is true, and that god can not exist. Face the truth and stop worshipping something that isnt there.
 

jay1_z

Member
First of all, the fact the fact that he won't go against his word shows how great he is. It doesn't make us superior to him. Second, why would you try to get someone to stop believing in something that is more good than bad? Even if God didn't exist I would never try to get someone to stop believing in him because the belief in a higher being is what keeps alot of people sane. Their beliefs keep alot of these people from going out and killing others and themselves. Why would you want to take that away from them?
 
jay1_z-

I agree, you shouldn't try to get people who are on the brink of insanity to stop believing in God. That being said, I think rational people who want to take a critical and objective approach to figuring out the world around them CAN have a good debate on the existence of God. After all, how can we learn if we never question our own beliefs from time to time?

Here's the problem with the whole God and free will thing: God is supposed to be all-powerful. So he can do anything he wants. So, if he wanted, he could eradicate evil from the world, and humans could still have free will. Yet, apparently, God has decided to tolerate evil in the world and not get rid of it; why?

The answer, in my opinion, is that "God" is an idea that humans once relied upon (before proper science) to explain the forces of nature, morality, etc, and to provide people with a sense of security in a world that they didn't understand.
 

jay1_z

Member
When I said that religion keeps people sane I was using a worst case scenario. Obviously there are a lot of ppl that don’t believe in God and they aren’t crazy.

I think rational people who want to take a critical and objective approach to figuring out the world around them CAN have a good debate on the existence of God.

You can have as many "good debates" as you want about the existence of God but I can tell you how it's gonna end. The vast majority of the people having these debates are going to be more concerned with arguing for their beliefs than against. I'm not judging because I'm sure that I would probably do this also.

After all, how can we learn if we never question our own beliefs from time to time?

I'm sure everyone has questioned their beliefs at one point in time but if you're participating in a debate then you've probably made up your mind already.

Here's the problem with the whole God and free will thing: God is supposed to be all-powerful. So he can do anything he wants. So, if he wanted, he could eradicate evil from the world, and humans could still have free will. Yet, apparently, God has decided to tolerate evil in the world and not get rid of it; why?

The reason that God won't eradicate evil is because of his Word. God is a God of principles (among other things). If He didn't keep his principles then He would be a liar but that won't ever happen. One of His principles was free-will. We have have it & His angels have it. Why would He give us free-will if He was going to just kill us if we went against Him? Is life just a game to Him? I don't think it is. As for God tolerating evil, not true. God doesn't tolerate sin in any fashion. When God looks at us he sees Christ in us. That is why we still have favor in the midst of our sins. We are living in a grace period. There will come a time when God will show us His Wrath like never before.
 
Think about what you're saying: if God is all-powerful, then he can do ANYTHING, right?

So, with his almighty power, God could get rid of evil and STILL not do any damage to our free will. So why doesn't he?
 

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Because vanquishing evil here & now is not apart of his plan.

(Burp) Why not? (Animal House)
On a serious note: ...well, why not? I mean, whats keeping him? Part of his plan, indeed I understand that, but why isn't his plan's sole purpose for his 'beloved' creations to be happy? This is a major flaw of religions today: every inconsistency is 'beyond human understanding, only to be understood by god' and every seeming flaw in the divine being and all the bad that happens is simply 'part of his greater plan, we'll all thank him and laugh about it later.' It's no wonder I'm an atheist now--what kinds of answers are those?

The reason that God won't eradicate evil is because of his Word. God is a God of principles (among other things). If He didn't keep his principles then He would be a liar but that won't ever happen. One of His principles was free-will. We have have it & His angels have it. Why would He give us free-will if He was going to just kill us if we went against Him? Is life just a game to Him? I don't think it is. As for God tolerating evil, not true. God doesn't tolerate sin in any fashion. When God looks at us he sees Christ in us. That is why we still have favor in the midst of our sins. We are living in a grace period. There will come a time when God will show us His Wrath like never before.
because of his word? what does that mean?
With or without free will, how do suppose to negate the idea of him killing us or sending us to hell if we go against him? That is his idea of punishment, and going against him is his idea of disobedience, so whats the alternative?
If god doesnt tolerate sin, why is it still here? oh right, THE PLAN.
Have you ever thought of this: god made us. we have sin. therefore, god made us with sin. So how does he have the right to get angry and wrathful when we're just living accord to the human design he created in the first place?

Brandon, you're the man 8)
 
thats another point i must make;
If god has a "plan" for the world and all things in it, then technically we dont have any free will at all, because god is in control of, and is already aware of what we have done, are doing, and will do.
By the way, i just want to say that i havent made up my mind on this subject, however i wanted to show some evidence that god doesnt exist, so that maybe someone could prove me wrong, or at least cast doubt on my theory. That hasnt happened yet, because although good points have been made, there still isnt a strong rebuttal here. Hopefully someone wise and knowlegable on this subject can post a good, strong argument.
Keep the replies coming please.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
BrandenTownsend
>>however i wanted to show some evidence that god doesnt exist<<

your evidence only covers the bible and therefore doesn't realy cover 'god' per say...

There are more religions than Christianity...

wa:-do
 

Alaric

Active Member
Again Brandon, check out the Trilemma thread in the 'General Religious Discussion' forum. The paradox you are trying to present is an old one - you'll find some more ammo there.
 
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