Does GOD Exist? Why Not Ask The Devil.

[Random]

Gibberish? Just because you don't know what I'm talking about doesn't make it gibberish!

OK, fair enough.

It is not Islamic, it is Judaic, way before Islam was developed. The word Shaiten is Jewish and means 'adversary'

Semantics.

The biggest Jewish sect, the Essenes got into the habit of calling all non Essenes Shaitens / adversaries. This eventually became the norm between all the Jewish sects of which Yeshua of Nazarath and his followers were also. Shaiten eventually becomes personified by the Roman Church as the ultimate adversary, the One against God Almighty.

If you say so, a lot of people make stuff up about the Essenes when there is so little information about them extant. But what you say makes a certain sort of senes, for sure.

 

[Heneni]

How could anyone be privy to what a supposed satan knows or doesn't know? LOL

How could an atheist possibly ask a child of god this question? Are you familiar with the concept of having knowledge about someone you believe exists? Or do you suppose i make things up as I go along.

Just because we do certain things that you label as "sin" doesn't mean there is a satan or a god.

Just because you do the wrong things doesnt mean god does not exist.

 

[Kcnorwood]

It just hit my why I can not ask the devil if God excist.... I don't believe in him I forget sometimes.....

 

[Heneni]

You forget sometimes??

 

[logician]

How could an atheist possibly ask a child of god this question?

I was a Xian for a number of years, and have probably heard more preachin than 95 percent of people that post on this forum.

 

[Darkness]

The word Shaiten is Jewish and means 'adversary'.

I could have sworn Shaitan is Arabic, because the Hebrew word for Satan (the Adversary) is Hasatan -- השתן.

 

[Papersock]

Just because you do the wrong things doesnt mean god does not exist.

Who said it does?

 

[Heneni]

I was a Xian for a number of years, and have probably heard more preachin than 95 percent of people that post on this forum.

Pehaps you were listening to gibberish? If at first you dont succeed, try agian.

We think that god is preached all over the world, but i doubt whether the messages that are preached are always valid, for this reason darkness was right when he said that satan keeps religion going.

The fact that satan is manipulating the lives of those that think they are without external control from god is fooling themselves. Hence Frank is right, try to give up lust, and addictions and see how difficult it is! That should make you realise that perhaps what you thought was freedom is actually just another form of control. If god gave us free will, it is exactly this free will that satan tries to manipulate to do his will. I have renounced my free will, want nothing to do with it.

God doesnt manipulate my will, since i have voluntarily renounced it, so no manipulation is required. What i want, is what god wants. Its not always easy, but it is the best thing for me. I submit to gods control, since it is logical that the master of the universe is smarter than I am. And since i dont know the start from the end, but he does, I need to trust him with my life. And since i have, its become more and more evident that any doubt whatsoever of his existance, is never a possibility for me.

What i find myself doing, is not what i would always want to do myself, but rather what god would want. And when i do this, there is usually great results. Now if god did not exist, i I follow the will of a myth, then why are things working out better when i do what the myth wants? If god is my imaginary friend, then my imagination is doing me much good.

HMMMM.... ill never be able to say with a straight face and an honest look...that god does not exist. Too much evidence in my life for such a statement!

Heneni

 

[Frank Castle]

So no one would have ever sinned if God had created Adam and Steve instead.

And you wouldn't have been born to post this reply, see how good the original plan is!

 

[EtuMalku]

I could have sworn Shaitan is Arabic, because the Hebrew word for Satan (the Adversary) is Hasatan -- השתן.

Drat!!! I stand corrected, it is Arabic. You are right. I mostly answer from memory and obviously that is slipping with old age.:help:

 

[gnostic]

I don't believe in the Devil, so how I could ask one, if he doesn't exist?

It would be like asking count dracula about the fairy godmother.

 

[Frank Castle]

I believe you don't exist, because I believe that every member on this board is the same person with different avatars
and handles, I know because that person is me, I answer my own posts, sometimes I agree with myself, other times I don't.

I do this because I believe I can.

 

[Darkness]

I believe you don't exist, because I believe that every member on this board is the same person with different avatars
and handles, I know because that person is me, I answer my own posts, sometimes I agree with myself, other times I don't.

I do this because I believe I can.

But you don't believe we don't exist so....

The comparison is incorrect. We know that there are people on their computers who post on forums; ergo, it is reasonable to assume the posts on the Religious Forums are by real people. However, there is no hard evidence that the Devil has done anything or exists at all.

Drat!!! I stand corrected, it is Arabic. You are right. I mostly answer from memory and obviously that is slipping with old age.

No worries.

 

[Frank Castle]

For the general viewing public, here I am answering my own post to Darkness, because Darkness is Frank Castle, everyone on this board is Frank Castle,
and the proof is that it cannot be proven otherwise, because this is the truth, and it will not be disputed!

I will post disagreements if the future to myself, but I will do all of this for your viewing entertainment, even when I will delete the Frank Castle handle,
it will still be me with a different handle, when new members join it is me creating the illusion of turn over, it will only and always be me!

 

[Frank Castle]

Prove that the Devil doesn't exist, you can't even prove you exist on this board, but you do exist, and you know that, because I say you exist, me, Frank Castle.

 

[budhabee]

Your Entire Life, Satan Has Told You What To Do. Only When You Truly Believe Will You See The Truth. Have You Ever
Tryed To Quit Sinning? Why Is It So Hard? Because It IS A Fight Between Your Will And His. You Are Stronger Than Him.
Beware Because He Will Try To Trick You. If You Are A Red Pill Believer, Then Believe This.

When GOD made Adam, HE made him perfect so much so that the Devil himself could not enter Him, read the following;

[2E,31-4]The devil is the evil spirit of the lower places, as a fugitive he made Sotona from the heavens as his name
was Satanail, thus he became different from the angels, but his nature did not change his intelligence as far as his
understanding of righteous and sinful things. 5And he understood his condemnation and the sin which he had sinned
before, therefore he conceived thought against Adam, in such form he entered and seduced Eva, but did not touch Adam.

The Devil became different from the Angels but his intelligence of right and wrong did not change, but something changed,
he became the opposite of GOD. The Devil couldn't enter Adam, He was made perfect and that only GOD'S spirit could dwell
with Him. Eva the women was made from Adam, extremely compatible to Him, but of the opposite sex, different from Him.

Were as a man is strong, a women is weak, the devil was able to enter Her, as he is able to enter anyone of us, because
all of us are born of women, Adam wasn't, the reproductive process is that a fetus is asexual until four months, at this stage
the fetus has everything it needs to become either male or female. It is because of this process that the Devil is able to enter
anyone of us male or female. The church talk that we are all born sinners is a lie, and GOD has just proven it to me, and you.

Listen to what Enoch says about this, He that never died, He that spoke as a messanger for GOD;

[2En,41-2]Woe is me for my infirmity and for that of my forefathers.

Enoch too had His trials, and succeeded, Lucifer was not as lucky;

[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
[10] All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we?
art thou become like unto us?

The woman was made weak, not out of GOD being imperfect, but the contrary is true, GOD could not have made her strong,
He'd be making another Man. But having said this, if we do resist the devil, he won't flee that's a lie, but we become stronger,
until we surpass and defeat him. Until then, the Devil has access too you, you're thoughts and emotions.

Do you want to find out if GOD really exist? Stop sinning, stop lusting, you won't be able, but when you try, the Devil will confirm
that GOD exist by attacking you with his Demons. He will come at you as if his life depended on it, if you give in, you become weak,
resist and conquer.

I'm sorry I'm confused.....are you talking about a hard on?

 

[budhabee]

Poem from a weak woman??????

The Thunder: Perfect Mind

I was sent forth from the power, and I have come to those who reflect upon me, and I have been found among those who seek after me.

Look upon me, you who reflect upon me, and you hearers hear me. You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves. And do not banish me from your sight. And do not make your voice hate me nor your hearing.

Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard! Do not be ignorant of me.

For I am the first and the last. I am the honored one and the scorned one. I am the whore and the holy one. I am the wife and the virgin. I am the mother and the daughter. I am the members of my mother. I am the barren one and many are her sons. I am she whose wedding is great, and I have not taken a husband. I am the midwife and she who does not bear. I am the solace of my labor pains. I am the bride and the bridegroom, and it is my husband who begot me. I am the mother of my father and the sister of my husband, and he is my offspring.

I am the slave of him who prepared me. I am the ruler of my offspring. But he is the one who begot me before the time on a birthday. And he is my offspring in due time. And my power is from him. I am the staff of his power in his youth, and he is the rod of my old age. And whatever he wills happens to me. I am the silence that is incomprehensible and the idea whose remembrance is frequent.

I am the voice whose sound is manifold and the word whose appearance is multiple. I am the utterance of my name.

Why, you who hate me, do you love me and hate those who love me? You who deny me, confess me, and you who confess me deny me. You who tell the truth about me, lie about me, and you who have lied about me, tell the truth about me. You who know me be ignorant of me, and those who have not known me, let them know me.

For I am knowledge and ignorance. I am shame and boldness. I am shameless; I am ashamed. I am strength and I am fear. I am war and peace. Give heed to me. I am the one who is disgraced and the great one.

Give heed to my poverty and my wealth. Do not be arrogant to me when I am cast out upon the earth, and you will find me in those that are to come. And do not look upon me on the dung-heap nor go and leave me cast out, and you will find me in the kingdoms.
And do not look upon me when I am cast out among those who are disgraced and in the least places, nor laugh at me.

And do not cast me out among those who are slain in violence. But I, I am compassionate and I am cruel. Be on your guard! Do not hate my obedience and do not love my self-control.

In my weakness do not forsake me, and do not be afraid of my power. For why do you despise my fear and curse my pride? But I am she who exists in all fears and strength in trembling. I am she who is weak, and I am well in a pleasant place. I am senseless and I am wise.

Why have you hated me in your counsels? For I shall be silent amongh those who are silent, and I shall appear and speak. Why then have you hated me, you Greeks? Because I am a barbarian among the barbarians? For I am the wisdom of the Greeks and the knowledge of the barbarians. I am the judgment of the Greeks and of the barbarians. I am the one whose image is great in Egypt and the one who has no image among the barbarians.

I am the one who has been hated everywhere and who has been loved everywhere. I am the one whom they call Life, and you have called Death.

I am the one whom they call Law, and you have called Lawlessness. I am the one whom you have pursued and I am the one whom you have seized. I am the one whom you have scattered, and you have gathered me together. I am the one before whom you have been ashamed, and you have been shameless to me.

I am she who does not keep festival, and I am she whose festivals are many.

I, I am godless, and I am the one whose God is great. I am the one whom you have reflected upon, and you have scorned me. I am unlearned and they learn from me.

I am the one whom you have despised, and you reflect upon me. I am the one whom you have hidden from, and you appear to me. But whenever you hide yourselves, I myself will appear. For whenever you appear, I myself will hide from you. Those who have [...] to it [...] senselessly [...].

Take me [... understanding] from grief, and take me to yourselves from understanding and grief. And take me to yourselves from places that are ugly and in ruin, and rob from those which are good even though in ugliness.

Out of shame, take me to yourselves shamelessly; and out of shamelessness and shame, upbraid my members in yourselves. And come forward to me, you who know me and you who know my members, and establish the great ones among the small first creatures.

Come forward to childhood, and do not despise it because it is small and it is little. And do not turn away greatnesses in some parts from the smallnesses, for the smallnesses are known from the greatnesses.

Why do you curse me and honor me? You have wounded and you have had mercy. Do not separate me from the first ones whom you have known. And do not cast anyone out nor turn anyone away [...] turn you away and [... know] him not.

What is mine [...]. I know the [first ones] and those after them [know] me.

But I am the mind of [...] and the rest of [...]. I am the knowledge of my inquiry, and the finding of those who seek after me, and the command of those who ask of me, and the power of the powers in my knowledge of the angels, who have been sent at my word, and of gods in their seasons by my counsel, and of spirits of every man who exists with me, and of women who dwell within me.

I am the one who is honored, and who is praised, and who is despised scornfully. I am peace, and war has come because of me. And I am an alien and a citizen. I am the substance and the one who has no substance.

Those who are without association with me are ignorant of me, and those who are in my substance are the ones who know me. Those who are close to me have been ignorant of me, and those who are far away from me are the ones who have known me.

On the day when I am close to you, you are far away from me, and on the day when I am far away from you, I am close to you.

I am within.
I am of the natures.
I am of the creation of the spirits. [...] request of the souls.
I am control and the oncontrollable. I am the union and the dissolution. I am the abiding and I am the dissolution. I am the one below, and they ome up to me. I am the judgment and the acquittal. I I am sinless, and the root of sin derives from me. I am lust in (outward) appearance, and interior self-control exists within me. I am the hearing which is attainable to everyone and the speech which cannot be grasped. I am a mute who does not speak, and great is my multitude of words.

Hear me in gentleness and learn of me in roughness. I am she who cries out, and I am cast froth upon the face of the earth. I prepare the bread and my mind within. I am the knowledge of my name. I am the one who cries out, and I listen.

I appear and [...] walk in [...] seal of my [...]. I am [...] the defense [...]. I am the one who is called Truth, and iniquity [...].

You honor me [...] and you whisper against me. You who are vanquished, judge them who vanquish you before they give judgement against you because the judge and partiality exist in you. If you are condemned by this one, who will acquit you? Or if you are acquitted by him, who will be able to detain you? For what is inside of you is what is outside of you, and the one who fashions you on the outside is the one who shaped the inside of you. And what you see outside of you, you see inside of you; it is visible and it is your garment.

Hear me, you hearers, and learn of my words, you who know me. I am the hearing that is attainable to everything; I am the speech that cannot be grasped. I am the name of the sound and the sound of the name. I am the sign of the letter and the designation of the division. And I [...].
[...] light [...].
[...] hearers [...] to you [...] the great power. And [...] will not move the name. [...] to the one who created me. And I will speak his name.

Look then at his words and all the writings which have been completed. Give heed then, you hearers and you also, the angels and those who have been sent, and you spirits who have arisen from the dead. For I am the one who alone exists, and I have no one who will judge me.

For many are the pleasant forms which exist in numerous sins, and incontinencies, and disgraceful passions, and fleeting pleasures, which (men) embrace until they become sober and go up to their resting-place. And they will find me there, and they will live, and they will not die again.

(WHEW) I dont think I wanna type that much ever again. Had to do this just once though. This poem comes from the "Nag Hammadi Library." You may have to take what your perceptions fed to you of what exactly a female is and readjust them appropriately.

 

[Papersock]

And you wouldn't have been born to post this reply, see how good the original plan is!

If I hadn't been born I wouldn't be around to care one way or the other.
But I'm sure an all-powerful god could have made another way for people to reproduce. We could grow from the ground like plants. Or god could have just create all of us like he did Adam and Steve.

 

[Frank Castle]

But I'm sure an all-powerful god could have made another way for people to reproduce. We could grow from the ground like plants. Or god could have just create all of us like he did Adam and Steve.

I like being me, being human and not a vegetable, and if GOD created all of us as the above mentioned, none of us would ever know what it feels like to be like GOD, to create life.

If I hadn't been born I wouldn't be around to care one way or the other.

You always existed, even before you were born you existed, therefore, you cared, and you will continue to exist until GOD decides otherwise, so I suggest you find the reason for you being here.

 

[Darkness]

Reason has fled from this thread.