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Featured Does Atheism provide peace of mind to its adherents?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. ImmortalFlame

    ImmortalFlame Well-Known Member

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    You really don't seem to understand what is actually being explained to you. Allow me to make it clear for you:

    Nobody is claiming that atheists don't HAVE beliefs.

    All that is being explained is that ATHEISM ITSELF does not necessarily constitute a belief, belief system, worldview or philosophy.
     
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  2. icehorse

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    So if you don't agree that your scripture paints your god as vindictive, how would you characterize the idea that if you don't believe in him - based on really weak evidence - you'll spend eternity in hell? That seems pretty vindictive to me!
     
  3. Scott C.

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    As a Mormon I have some different ideas on hell, what it is, who goes there, and how long it lasts. It would take a lengthy post to spell that out. I believe that whatever future a person has in the next life, be it immediate joy or regret with pain, it's all based on God's love and his desire that we progress into happy beings with the right hearts. God's work and joy is to bring about our immortality and eternal life and joy. There's no element of vindictiveness. I'm not doing the subject justice in a brief paragraph.

    God knows what we know about him and what evidence he has provided. He knows perfectly well the hearts of all of us and what drives us. In the final analysis, after mortality and a period in the next life, only the most rebellious will choose to reject the God who they know exists, who they know is all loving and who they know wants the best for them.
     
  4. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Isn't Atheism a fantasy they believe in?
    Regards
     
  5. JustWondering

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    How is Atheism a fantasy? You're not making any sense. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods. Are you saying my lack of belief in Zeus and Odin is a fantasy? That would imply that you are saying Zeus and Odin are real. Is that what you're saying?
     
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  6. icehorse

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    Wait! Are you arguing general Christianity or Mormonism? I've been arguing about general Christianity. Mormonism is fine of course, but Mormons are a tiny slice of the overall Christian population.
     
  7. Scott C.

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    Hmmm... I was speaking from a Mormon Christian point of view. I should have been clear.
     
  8. ArtieE

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    You tell us? You don't believe in the same gods I don't believe in except one. Is it your fantasy that these gods don't exist?
     
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    What deities do you believe in, ?
     
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    Atheism is a fantasy from the perspective of a theist. Unless you are claiming to be all knowing? What exactly are you claiming? That deities cannot exist? That certain types of deities cannot exist? Your very vague.
     
  11. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    No. Why do you ask?
     
  12. ImmortalFlame

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    Only if a theist is absolutely certain of the existence of God, or at least has extremely good, rational reasons for concluding God's existence.

    Why would someone have to be all knowing to be an atheist?

    That atheists don't believe in God.

    Neither.

    Atheism is the lack of belief in a God. That's not vague.
     
  13. ArtieE

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    JustWondering and cambridge79 and SkepticThinker and psychoslice and me are all on the same page here q konn you seem to have lost the book... I don't know where to start explaining if you haven't caught on by now.
     
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  14. paarsurrey

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    paarsurrey said:
    Isn't Atheism a fantasy they believe in?
    Regards
    No positive evidence can that poster "JustWondering" provide for "G-d does not exist", in this sense it is mere a fantasy.
    Regards
     
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  15. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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  16. ArtieE

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    Can you produce any positive evidence that all the gods you don't believe in don't exist?
     
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  17. SkepticThinker

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    Can you provide "positive evidence" that Zeus does not exist?
     
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  18. SkepticThinker

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    Ah, you beat me to it!
     
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    And here s one more question we can add to the collection of questions pasrsurey is never going to answer
     
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  20. The Neo Nerd

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    Those people who say "how does atheism account for this, that and the other" think that atheism is the only philosophy that atheists can embrace.

    Which is confusingly ignorant.

    I mean humanism gives me a sense of social responsibility.

    Existentialism gives me a sense of peace.
     
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