Does Affirmative Action in College Admission hurt students its intended to help?

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This is very true. Many people don't understand what Affirmative Action is all about. Most of the students admitted under AA are far more qualified than their white or asian counterparts. In other words, most Affirmative Action candidates are considered in the first place because they are Already highly qualified.

Then surely you must support race-blind admissions. If admissions were race-blind, and admissions officers just pick the most qualified individuals, then surely these "far more qualified" blacks and hispanics would get in just the same.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is very true. Many people don't understand what Affirmative Action is all about. Most of the students admitted under AA are far more qualified than their white or asian counterparts. In other words, most Affirmative Action candidates are considered in the first place because they are Already highly qualified.

Yeah, that's why the standards are lowered for them. (Do I smell a Poe?)

If anything we need MORE affirmative action, or at the very least a cap on white males at top universities. It needs to exist because of institutionalized racism pervasive throughout white-controlled society.

Maybe a forced sterilization program for white males too. Once we get rid of them all, replaced by mulattoes.
(You know how their women would rather have black fellas anyway.) Everyone knows they're progressive.

 

[J2hapydna]

Then surely you must support race-blind admissions. If admissions were race-blind, and admissions officers just pick the most qualified individuals, then surely these "far more qualified" blacks and hispanics would get in just the same.

The purpose of top colleges is not to reward kids for doing well on the SAT. The purpose is to find students with the highest potential to do something significant after graduating (Nobel Prize, leadership in government, business etc). A kid who has a margianlly lower SAT score because s/he attended a poor school with children of largely uneducated parents does not necessarily demonstrate less potential of success than a kid who attended middle class schools in white neighborhoods and earned a slightly higher SAT score. You seem to be stuck on the SAT as some God given universal indicator of merit, where a 100 point this way or that way means something to acheivement in life, when it does not.

One would have to be ignorant of the fact that whites in America do not socialize, party, date and generally get married to Blacks in America in a color blind fashion. In other words America is not a color blind society. You would have to be ignorant of the fact that Blacks do not have any wealthy communities with good schools. One would have to be ignorant of the fact that schools without resources do not produce kids with the same SAT scores as kids who attend schools with significant resources and knowledge. One would have to be ignorant of that fact that these kids can receive remedial education and can do equally well as their counterparts in normal schools, once they receive remedial education.

The fact is that there is still plenty of social discrimination against Blacks in America that non Blacks do not face. So, there is nothing wrong with an admissions officer taking an applicant's Black social experience into account. This does not equal punishing the non Blacks. It equals understanding an applicant's ability to overcome obstacles unnecessarily created by others.

You are going on about colleges discriminating against whites as if white society discriminating against Blacks was the same thing. That is like saying jailing a crook is the same as abducting someone, because they restrict the movement of an individual.

 

[J2hapydna]

Maybe a forced sterilization program for white males too. Once we get rid of them all, replaced by mulattoes.
(You know how their women would rather have black fellas anyway.) Everyone knows they're progressive.

Thank you for your honesty. My point is that Admissions Officers should not have to pretend that these views, that result in severe social isolation for Blacks, do not exist. To try to use one's majority status to force others to not see the existence of such barriers is in my opinion a tyranny by the majority.

Certainly, Greeks, Asians and other minorities also experience social barriers, but not to the same degree. We have our religions and languages that connect us to countries abroad, where the wealth is not directly controlled by Whites in America. The African American is a hostage to this society. He speaks the same language and believes in the same God as the white majority. He has no foreign allies, families or connections and came here not of his free will, but experiences the harshest form of social isolation.

All this for what, so Revoltingist and his ilk do not have to fear they will be forced sterilized and replaced by mulattoes? And am I the only one here who thinks there is a White Privilege problem in America?