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Does A.I. have limits?

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by dybmh, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Can A.I. have fun?

    Can A.I. experience pleasure?

    Can A.I. have an epiphany?

    Can A.I. trust?

    Can A.I. improvise visual art, music, dance, or comedy?

    Can you think of any other limits to A.I.?
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Baconist
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    No theoretical limits that I can see.
    I cannot wait to serve our new robo-masters.
     
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  3. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    Yep. AI can't eat bacon, for example.
     
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  4. Ray Warren

    Ray Warren There is beauty in the silence.

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    I found this a while back...it was made in 2017 so I don't know if new research has been introduced or not but here we go:



    And no I didn't care enough to look more into it so I did not check his sources like i was supposed to...I figured if we all are gonna die ain't nothing I can do about it so why bother?
     
  5. Quintessence

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    Everything has limits. No exceptions.

    I couldn't tell you what those are for artificial intelligence beyond the obvious ones that are intrinsic to being what humans call "artificial" and "intelligent."
     
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    It can be conscious of having fun by the definiton of consciousness.
    It can run to repower itself and it can find patterns through linear regression like AlphaZero.
    To us yes. Not very worthwhile to program it to know that it is actually having it, but things can change.
    Definitely. One author used an AI to write books and has 300,000 books that people like as much as other books.
    If there is a limit of data then there is a limit to AI. Otherwise I think it will keep getting faster and smarter or at least smarter.
     
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  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Baconist
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    But give it a body, & it can.
    I've even read of an artificial digestive system.
    Put that in an android programmed to enjoy bacon, & Bob's yer uncle!
     
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    Give "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison a read.
     
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  9. Woberts

    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    That's the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the thread title.
     
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  10. Brickjectivity

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    I don't know how to cook robots, but I'll learn.
     
  11. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    As it stands today AI has limits (depending on how you define limits) like those described above, although in music and art AI is going great. This AI artwork recently sold for $400,000
    25-ai-art.w700.h700.jpg

    And AI music


    I am sure development in AI will continue and bust the limits imposed today. Tomorrow there will be new limits
     
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    First though will come AI with low intelligence, and it will not have the ability to suffer more than an insect. Still such a thing could be considered a complete AI. Low level complete AI can do just about everything we want. It can build things, fight, serve, create some things, explore, landscape etc and still be mostly mindless. That is probably where AI will plateau for a long time, possibly forever, somewhat like programmable bugs. That is probably a good thing, too.

    On the other hand it would be cool to make a new intelligent creature which could survive in and populate space.
     
  13. Nakosis

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    I'm sure they probably are but everytime we assume to have found a limit, we seem to find a way to exceed it. Not even sure what the limits of being human are. IMO, way too early to know what the absolute limits might be.
     
  14. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I think the future for AI is bright. .. or dark depending upon how you look at it. ;O]

    I'm especially intrigued by self learning unscripted AI for which its limitations have to do with capacity in terms of memory retention and how an AI would deal with paradox issues as new challenges arise.
     
  15. dybmh

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    What about fun?

    How can an A.I. ever have "fun"?
     
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