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Do you sin every day?

Discussion in 'Ethics and Morals' started by Spiderman, Oct 23, 2021.

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  2. No

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  1. Spiderman

    Spiderman Veteran Member

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    When I read parts of the Bible and Quran I just get angry because it goes against my conscience and strikes me as cruel and bigoted.

    Yet Jesus, Mary, Fatima, Muhammad, deceased Muslims, Solomon, David, Jewish victims of the holocaust, Christian Saints, are all Kami I pray to.

    I don't feel I can go on getting grace from the Kami I love if I keep bashing them.

    I love the Kami, I just can't stand bigotry and torturing people, which is in the Old, and new testament speaks of people tossed into a lake of fire where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    And Jesus said if you don't eat his flesh and drink his blood you have no life in you. What does such a statement say about Jews? It seems very counterproductive to unifying believers and divides people, and leads to harsh judgments that people are unsaved for not belonging to a sect.

    But, I can't keep getting grace from God if I keep bashing him, I feel.

    But Israel does mean "contender with God". Jacob became Israel by fighting with God all night and winning. He also stole his blessings from Esau by lying, deception, and breaking God's rules with the scheming of naughty Rebecca :p, so that the twelve tribes and Messiah descend from his bloodline.

    Esau was Isaac's favorite. Jacob was Rebecca's favorite. The woman trumped the will of the superior of the household , by being naughty and manipulative, pulling the right strings, and deception.

    It makes me wonder if we fight with God and break his rules, if we can receive blessings and graces from God, as Jacob did, if we fight the right way and break the rules just right.

    But I have failed the Kami. :( I was hoping Shinto could be a common bond other Religions could have that brings unity. All Religions that believe in Spirits , Angels, or God , believe in Kami , and they already embrace the only infallible Shinto teaching.

    I'm not bringing unity by insulting Abrahamic faiths. My goal was to get people to follow charity and their conscience above ancient text or Dogma.

    Shinto I like , because we can't argue over what the founder taught or did, because no one knows who it started with. There are not inerrant Kami-inspired Scriptures to interpret and argue over.

    It leaves us a lot of room to follow our conscience and individual path in Shinto.

    But still, the Prophets and Kami of Abrahamic faiths, are still Kami I need to love and please, even if I don't like their behavior.

    I keep trying not to bash them, but I sin every day. My faith is a mix of Shinto, Catholicism, Egyptology, Taoism, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Tengriism, Native American Shamanism, in the sense that I try to take the good virtue , some ethics, some morals, some disciplines, some philosophies, from each, and venerate the Kami behind those forces , and the Kami who practiced those faiths while alive.

    Anyhow, do you sin daily?
     
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  2. RayofLight

    RayofLight My pronouns: they/them

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    I don't believe in sin so no
     
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  3. Lain

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    Yes I do. It's very sad. May the Lord have mercy.

     
  4. Psalm23

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    Yes, I sin everyday.
     
  5. John53

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    I try my best but sometimes I'm not bad enough.
     
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  6. Spiderman

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    By sin I mean vice and defects that prevent you from being the best version of yourself, or offending or disobeying the Divinity or Kami Spirit (s) you cherish.
     
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    Oh that’s a nice song. It’s peaceful. Thank you for sharing.
     
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  8. John53

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    How can a defect be sin? God hates me because I'm bald?
     
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  9. robocop (actually)

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    I'm told I sin everyday, but feel I do better than that.
     
  10. JustGeorge

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    No. Sin doesn't really apply to my worldview. It boils down to good choices and bad choices to me.
     
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  11. Spiderman

    Spiderman Veteran Member

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    I mean a defective choice. Choosing to go against your morality or disobey your conscience.
     
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  12. Unveiled Artist

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    According to christian scripture, yes. I don't acknowledge scripture as an authority so pretty much that's it.
     
  13. Psalm23

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    Yes
     
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    Is that the Bible's fault or your conscience's fault? Why is your conscience so great anyway? I don't believe it. Why is it the best arbitor of right and wrong? I don't think it is. I think your conscience is flawed and you need a new perspective. I don't think you get it. I don't think you understand the Bible.
    What it says about Jews is that they rejected their Messiah. They always do. I don't want to be mean but show me one Biblical prophet they actually ever accepted. They didn't accept any of them. So why would they accept Jesus? They never do. The people of God never accept the prophets or messengers of GOd in their life time. They always reject them and only a remnant is ever willing to listen. Because the world itself has rejected God and the majority of people always go a long with the world and refuse to listen to anything God is telling them through prophets or by any other means. In that respect, the Jews are not any different. They are just like everyone else. They also refused to listen to God. This is why the old Covenant of Moses was never perfect. It could not change their hearts by itself. Their hearts went after the idols of their fathers rather than the true and righteous ways of God. Anyone who thinks otherwise is proud and stubborn. They don't want to hear from the true God so they make up their own gods.
    Glad you figured it out. This is not rocket science.
    He wins because God gave him the chance to win. God wants you to win man. God doesn't want you to lose all the time. Sometimes though you have to lose to win. Don't you get that? Haven't I told you that before? I thought I did.

    Anyway I lose a lot myself. I lose all the time.
    Which was wrong and Jacob paid for it by being tricked himself by Laban. Laban tricked 7 years out of his life and more. Jacob waited 7 more years for the love of his life Rachel. Jacob paid for his part in the deception he did against Isaac. He paid dearly. He paid with pain and suffering for years. Jacob lost big.

    Of course God even turned all of that for good as he always does. God turns bad things to be good. So many of the tribes of Israel came from Leah but the original act of replacing Rachel with Leah was bad. It was really bad. Jacob hated it at first. Even Leah wasn't happy in her marriage. Laban did wrong but this was all Jacob reaping what he sowed. He was deceptive and manipulative because he went along with his mom's plan to trick Isaac. Whereas he could have just trusted God to do the right thing and God would have worked it out by some better method.

    But again I say God turned it all for the good. It ended up good because the blessings of God despite of the poor decisions of Laban and Jacob and every other human who has ever lived. We all make mistakes and some much worse than the ones Jacob made. We are all losers.
    Wrong. You're relying on yourself. As Jacob grew older and wiser he began to understand that he had been doing it all wrong. He could have relied on God the whole time and things would have gone much smoother for him. He loved the things of God always but never trusted God until he was older.

    Jacob had to wrestle with God to figure that out. He limped for rest of his life just to remind him that he needed God. That limp was part of his blessing as God blessed him God touched him so he would limp. Because Jacob needed to remember that he can't even walk without God.

    And the children of Israel(Jacob) wrestle with a man who turns out to be God to this very day. They wrestle with Jesus Christ the man but one day they'll understand they were wrestling with their God.
     
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  15. Spiderman

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    Happy birthday! :)

    And Leah is my favorite woman in the Old Testament after Rebecca, and is the name of the only woman I ever proposed marriage to, and jumped off a building over.

    I was just talking to my counselor about Leah before I read your post.

    I named the Moon Leah , because in Joseph's prophetic dream, the Moon represents Leah.

    Just an irrelevant piece of info , but interesting I guess.

    Also, Leah symbolizes the cross and rejection in Spiritual writings. So, I named my cross that I must carry, my mistress: Leah.

    Leah the cross. Leah the Moon. The cross and the Moon are the symbols of Christianity and Islam. I love my Leah. :)
     
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    Yup. Muah ha ha! I still have a full head of hair.
     
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  17. Truthseeker

    Truthseeker Non-debating member when I can help myself

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    What, no Baha'i?:confused:

    I learned from looking up some of those terms, like Kami, or Tengrism. I am a curious guy and am not called Truthseeker9 for nothing. I only added the nine because someone else had the name Truthseeker already.:rolleyes: I never knew what you believed until now. Are you Japanese?

    Anyhow, everybody sins, including me.
     
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  19. Spiderman

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    From what I heard, Baha'i agrees with my conscience on a lot of levels.

    No, I'm not Japanese, but I pray in Japanese, wear a coat with a Japanese flag on it that I found on the ground , minutes after receiving Holy Communion for Hirohito and Japan, and the souls of Japanese Kami.

    Beneath the Japanese flag is a big Capitol H, and hours before I wrote a prayer letter to Hirohito, where instead of writing out his full name, I just wrote "H".

    Here is what the jacket looks like:
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    I believed in Shinto strongly ever since, but I combine it with other Religions.

    Also, I was praying for Japan in the Cathedral on a day I call "Japan day", and I turn around to see a paper that said "Japan" in big letters.

    I grabbed the paper and exit the cathedral to immediately see a circular mirror on the ground. I picked it up. It had the same color lining as the circular mirror Amaterasu is looking into in a picture on my wall at the time.

    Circular mirrors are the highest relic in Shinto , because Amaterasu gave a circular mirror to Emperor Jimmu, and told him to venerate it , as if it were her.

    So, I believe in Shinto, but I accept Jesus and Mary and love all Kami. I just don't accept Doctrine or Scripture, because it distracts me from loving Kami , and sometimes goes against my conscience.

    It did kinda hurt my feelings when you said you didn't think I was a believer. :(

    :p

    Just kidding. :D

    Hey, you keep seeking the truth, and God and Benevolent Kami bless you and enlighten you! :)
     
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  20. Trailblazer

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    I don't think so but that depends upon what you call a sin.
     
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