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Do you pray for President Trump?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Shaul, Jul 24, 2018.

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    59.1%
  1. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    You lose the debate when you parrot the stupid phrase "fake news."
     
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    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    You lose the debate when you assume I'm a democrat (if you should know I'm registered as an Independent). You also further lose the debate when you are unable to refute my sources especially an organization like factcheck.org.
     
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    While people should keep the professional and private lives of others separate, it does offer a window into their character, and whether or not they possess any sense of honor, honesty, and integrity; all important aspects of a worthy leader.
    Why are you so emotionally invested in another country's politics, anyway? It's not like anyone here gives two ****s about Italy's political soap opera.
     
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    To suggest that, because they were political opponents, they were the inverse of each other in every single possible way is imbecilic logic.
     
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  5. Father Heathen

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    You mean like what happened with the Inuit?
     
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    This comment is savage! Too much win
     
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    Then you must have extremely low standards when it comes to judging character.

    Maybe not, but deceiving his wife and breaking his vow to her does.
     
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    same opinion :neutral:.. I know hating is wrong but he's definitely a man & president I hate. And if hell really exists, I hope he goes there soon..:unamused:
     
  9. Shaul

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    Don’t be too sure. Given the choice I am sure there are some people that would rather discuss the former models in the Italian parliament than Hillary Clinton. ;)
     
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    Do you think that is a typical or widely held Catholic opinion?
     
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    I think all people of good will would appreciate that.

    Do you think the prospects for peace in the Middle East have increased because President Trump is in office, decreased, or haven’t changed?
     
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    Remember when he was hanging out with all his racist friends?
    https://goo.gl/images/pGoMRB

    The simple truth is that for literally decades Trump was accepted by the liberal establishment, even lauded, so long as it could be used as a foil against conservatives. It is only after he became a serious threat that liberal long knifes came out. Don’t think that is so? Watch this clip and consider that no one was calling Trump a racist there.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4620219/donald-trump-jesse-jackson
     
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    tytlyf The Mind's Eye

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    The economy was doing great under Obama. The fake news outlets were lying to you about the economy. The economy is slowing now that a republican is in office.
     
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    I already listed the items that make Trump racist here is a supplemental


    "A majority of U.S. voters say President TrumpDonald John Trump2 women win Georgia Dem runoffs, extending streak for female candidatesGiuliani on Trump-Cohen audio: 'I've dealt with much worse tapes than this' Roseanne to sit down with Hannity in first television interview since ABC canceled showMORE has emboldened racists to express their beliefs openly, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

    Fifty-five percent of voters said Trump has made it easier for those with racist beliefs to share those views publicly. Thirty-nine percent disagreed."

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395375-poll-majority-says-trump-has-emboldened-racists

    "Most Americans think President Trump is a racist, according to a new poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

    More than half of adults think his policies have worsened the lives of Muslims and Hispanics, while almost half say the president has worsened the lives of African Americans."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-say-trump-is-racist/?utm_term=.3797c7e68492
     
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    I already listed the items that make Trump racist here is a supplemental


    "A majority of U.S. voters say President TrumpDonald John Trump2 women win Georgia Dem runoffs, extending streak for female candidatesGiuliani on Trump-Cohen audio: 'I've dealt with much worse tapes than this' Roseanne to sit down with Hannity in first television interview since ABC canceled showMORE has emboldened racists to express their beliefs openly, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

    Fifty-five percent of voters said Trump has made it easier for those with racist beliefs to share those views publicly. Thirty-nine percent disagreed."

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395375-poll-majority-says-trump-has-emboldened-racists

    "Most Americans think President Trump is a racist, according to a new poll by the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

    More than half of adults think his policies have worsened the lives of Muslims and Hispanics, while almost half say the president has worsened the lives of African Americans."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-say-trump-is-racist/?utm_term=.3797c7e68492
     
  16. tytlyf

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    You see, I noticed you didn't source your accomplishment list. Those aren't accomplishments. How about comparing to Obama's accomplishments. Not hypothetical.

    1. Passed Health Care Reform
    2. Rescued the Economy

    3. Passed Wall Street Reform
    4. Negotiated a Deal to Block A Nuclear Iran

    5. Secured U.S. Commitment to a Global Agreement on Climate Change
    6. Eliminated Osama bin Laden
    7. Ended U.S. Combat Missions in Iraq and Afghanistan
    8. Turned Around the U.S. Auto Industry
    9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’’

    10. Supported Federal Recognition of Same-Sex Marriages
    11. Reversed Bush Torture Policies
    12. Established Rules to Limit Carbon Emissions from Power Plants
    13. Normalized Relations with Cuba
    14. Put Medicare on Sounder Financial Footing
    15. Protected DREAMers from Deportation
    16. Established Net Neutrality
    17. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court
    18. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
    19. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Funding
    20. Improved America’s Image Abroad
    21. Left His Mark on the Federal Judiciary
    22. Diversified the Federal Bureaucracy
    23. Passed Fair Sentencing Act
    24. Revived the Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division
    25. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection

    26. Gave the FDA the Power to Regulate Tobacco
    27. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense
    28. Kick-started Clean Energy Investment
    29. Reduced the Threat from Nuclear Weapons
    30. Passed Credit Card Reforms
    31. Cut Veteran Homelessness by Half
    32. Enacted Government Surveillance Reform

    33. Expanded Overtime Pay
    34. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges
    35. Cut the Deficit
    36. Created the College Scorecard
    37. Improved School Nutrition
    38. Expanded the Definition of Hate Crimes
    39. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide
    40. Strengthened Women’s Right to Fair Pay
    41. Secured the Removal of Chemical Weapons from Syria
    42. Protected LGBTQ Americans From Employment Discrimination
    43. Reduced Discrimination Against Former Prisoners in Federal Hiring
    44. Won Major Victories Against Housing and Mortgage Discrimination
    45. Expanded Broadband Coverage
    46. Expanded Health Coverage for Children
    47. Improved Food Safety
    48. Let the Space Shuttle Die and Killed the Planned Moon Mission
    49. Rebuilt and Fortified the Gulf Coast post-Katrina
    50. Avoided Scandal


    https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/januaryfebruary-2017/obamas-top-50-accomplishments-revisited/
     
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    The Inuit are a slightly different situation, wouldn't you agree? We are talking in their case about what happens, too often, when a stone age culture encounters the modern world. Any decent person would be sympathetic to their plight. My father spent a year in the arctic during the war and told me the "Eskimos" still lived their traditional life style (mind you, they had already swapped out their spears for rifles, and their bone tools for steel knives, but they were still living in igloos); he took a great photo of one Inuit family sitting on raised platforms of ice, covered of course with furs, in their snow homes. What stands out for me is that every person in the group wore huge, genuine, smiles, and traditional animal skin clothing.

    I will also mention that I have some letters home my father wrote at that time. What stands out is his first encounter with the Inuit. The native people turned out in large numbers when the icebreaker N.B. McLean arrived as they had a great interest in receiving modern supplies (free handouts) from the Canadian government, which by the way, had made it illegal for the government employees to trade for furs and ivory carvings; though my father said he was shown ways around that injunction (you just had to conceal your activities from the RCMP who would arrive once each year). My dad was only in his early twenties and he wrote at length about his first encounter. He'd never met such a primitive people. What stood out in his mind was the stench. It was not just the unwashed bodies, it was primarily the improperly cured leather clothing that everyone wore. The flesh was cut from the skins which were then chewed by the women until they were further stripped of the remaining flesh and the hides were made supple. By the time dad was in the arctic the second time (again at a Canadian government weather station) housing had been provided, at tax payer expense, and no one in the community he was familiar with lived any longer in igloos. Nor were they wearing the traditional clothing any longer (with the exception of foot wear which the natives deemed better). No one was forced out of their snow homes. They chose to live in the housing built by the government. The thing is no one foresaw the consequences of disrupting the traditional life style.

    Now, turn to the Middle East and ISIS and their ilk (ie. Muslim hardliners). What misguided, but benevolent, activity do you see on their part? None. You see rapes, women and girls forced into sex slavery, beheadings, murder of homosexuals and apostates, and complete subjugation of all resistance. Once Islam reaches a critical population level in any country you see a downward spiral into violence. That is what is coming our way!
     
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    Incredible post.
    Very interesting about the inuit and so true about Islam.
     
  19. Marsh

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    Thanks. What Father Heathen was not taking into account is that no one was trying to destroy the Inuit while hardliner Muslims (what many are now calling Islamists) do want to destroy and enslave. PopeADope, I am curious. What is that flag? I don't recall seeing anything like it.
     
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    That is an interesting story about the eskimos in WW2.

    That was not so very long ago!

    There was a man, Curtis I believe was his name,
    who travelled extensively to photograph and record
    the natives he found, knowing that the last days
    of the old days were passing fast.

    In one account, he mentions travelling by dofsled
    over some mountains in Alaska, in a blizzard and
    finding and Eskimo house. "House".

    A tiny thing, partly underground, driftwood and sod.

    Everyone inside was sick, and he mentions the
    horrific stench.

    An acquaintance who lived in Alaska has told me
    various things about his experience with Eskimos.

    Of course, it is cell phones and facebook with them
    now, not harpoons and kayaks.

    And there are way more of them than ever before.

    But the main takeaway I got from what he said is
    that they seem lost. Dont know who they are,
    what they should do, where they are going.

    Suicide, alcohol, drugs,squalor,welfare,violence,
    unemployment.

    That they need to start telling themselves a
    new story about themselves.

    Well, that is off topic, but there it is anyway.
     
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