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Do you pray for President Trump?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Shaul, Jul 24, 2018.

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  2. No

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  1. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    I pray that he will make peace in world ,especially in Middle East.
     
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    I hope you speak the truth Cougarbear! :)
     
  3. Spiderman

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    You have a good heart! Allah is pleased with you! I can feel it! :)
     
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  4. Nicholas W.

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    All leaders, whether political, religious or otherwise have a heavier responsibility that we drones who generally complain & protest.

    Therefor I pray that the Wisdom, Compassion & Power of the Buddhas & Bodhisattvas will radiate upon the minds of all leaders in all nations.
     
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  5. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    I don't pray, but if I did, I can't think of anyone living today who is in more need of guidance, wisdom, and compassion, since his lack of these things is hurting so many people.
     
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  6. TheBannerofHomuraAkemi

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    No, because Trump doesn't listen to anything, but his ego. So why would he listen to God?
     
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  7. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    If I believed in the efficacy of prayer (I don’t) I would most certainly pray for Donald Trump, I would also pray for those victimized by Donald Trump.
     
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  8. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    Thank you , you too :)
     
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    If every Muslim loved peace and was innocent and compassionate like you, i would only say how good Islam is for our world! :)
     
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  10. Epic Beard Man

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    Donald Trump's Racism: The Definitive List

    -Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.

    -Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources. A former hotel executive said Trump criticized a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

    -In 1989, Trump took out ads in New York newspapers urging the death penalty for five black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in Central Park; he argued they were guilty as late as October 2016, more than 10 years after DNA evidence had exonerated them.

    An Obsession With
    Dark-Skinned Immigrants

    -He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”

    -He uses the gang MS-13 to disparage all immigrants. Among many other statements, he has suggested that Obama’s protection of the Dreamers — otherwise law-abiding immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally as children — contributed to the spread of MS-13.

    -In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.

    -Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.

    -At the White House on Jan. 11, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway.

    Obama As Unqualified,
    Lazy and Un-American

    -He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.

    Edit: He did admit later that Obama is an American citizen although some of his (Trumps) followers still continue to believe Obama is a foreigner.

    -Trump called Obama (who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review) “a terrible student, terrible.

    -Trump frequently claimed that Obama did not work hard as president.

    -Trump falsely claimed that President Obama “issued a statement for Kwanzaa but failed to issue one for Christmas.”

    There are tons more for me to list if you prefer

    See source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
     
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  11. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    Is Trump responsible for unemployment in the black community?

    "As the chart below illustrates, the black unemployment rate has been in a years-long downward trend that continued under Trump. The part in red represents the months under Trump’s presidency

    black-unemployment-rate-2009-to-2017-1.jpg

    When Trump took office in January 2017, the black unemployment rate was 7.8 percent, the lowest it had been in nearly 10 years, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Under Trump, it dropped a full percentage point to 6.8 percent in December. That’s the lowest rate since the bureau began regularly breaking out unemployment rates by race in 1972.

    A similar drop of 1 percentage point was recorded during the same 11-month period in 2016. The drop was even more pronounced in each of the three years before that. It fell 1.9 percentage points in 2015, 1.5 percentage points in 2014 and 1.8 percentage points in 2013.

    In other words, the downward trend has continued under Trump, albeit at a slower pace than in recent years."

    Is Trump responsible for new jobs?

    “Since the election, we have created 2.4 million new jobs, including 200,000 new jobs in manufacturing alone. After years of wage stagnation, we are finally seeing rising wages.”

    This is half true. The
    job numbers are technically correct, but Trump is overstating wage growth and taking credit for jobs added under his predecessor.

    Trump’s first year in office was marked by 2.1 million jobs being added to the economy — the slowest year of job growth in six years — while the other job gains came under President Barack Obama. Wages are indeed rising, but they were not exactly stagnate. They’ve been rising steadily for years,
    according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/card/fact-check-trump-claims-credit-job-gains-rising-wages-n843031

    Is Trump bringing companies back from abroad?

    "To be sure, CEOs at the companies Trump listed — all of whom have met personally with Trump since his election — have said they are encouraged by Trump’s promises to cut regulations and lower corporate taxes, moves they said that will allow them to grow.

    But are the flurry of recent corporate announcements about investments and job creation in the U.S. symptomatic of the Trump effect? The answer is more complex than Trump’s tweets suggest. Many of the company announcements tweeted by Trump — especially those from GM and Ford — fit a years-long trend......

    Ford Motor Co. has been in Trump’s crosshairs since the early days of his presidential campaign when he criticized the automaker for its April 2015 announcement of a $2.5 billion plan to build two new plants in Mexico and expand a third. Trump repeatedly criticized that plan on the campaign trail, vowing that he would threaten to put a 35 percent import tax on Ford unless it moved the plants to the United States. Trump later took credit for pressuring Ford to change its plans and build a new “massive plant” in Ohio. (It turned out Ford had not changed its plans at all.)

    On Jan. 3, Ford announced that it was cancelling its plan to build a different $1.6 billion plant in Mexico, and that it planned to invest $4.5 billion over the next five years to ramp up production of electric cars, including an investment of $700 million at its plant in Flat Rock in Michigan to manufacture two of them.

    Was Trump responsible for it? In his Jan. 18 tweet, Trump says he was. “Ask the CEOs,” Trump wrote.

    Ford CEO Mark Fields lauded Trump’s promise to cut business taxes and reduce regulations as good for Ford’s long-term success, but he said the recently announced changes were market-based.

    On Jan. 3, Trump took aim at General Motors, calling out the company for moving production of its Chevy Cruze model to Mexico.

    GM responded that Chevrolet Cruze sedans sold in the U.S. are made in Ohio. The company builds the Cruze hatchbacks in Mexico, but the company said only a small number of them are sold in the U.S. In November, CNN reported, GM sold about 16,400 Cruzes in the U.S., and that about 1,600 of them were Mexican-made hatchbacks.

    On Jan. 17, GM announced that it was investing $1 billion in U.S. manufacturing operations, resulting in 1,500 “new and retained” jobs.

    GM also announced that it would be moving work on axle production for pickup trucks from Mexico to Michigan, creating 450 jobs. And the company said it would be insourcing more than 6,000 IT jobs that were formerly outside the U.S., according to GM Chairman and CEO Mary Barra. Together with “streamlining our engineering operations from seven to three, with the core engineering center being in Warren, Michigan, and building on our momentum at GM Financial and in advanced technologies,” she said, “these moves, and others, are expected to result in more than 5,000 new jobs in the U.S. over the next few years.

    But GM leaders stressed that the investments in the U.S. were part of a longtime trend. The company noted that it has announced investments of $2.9 billion in the U.S. in 2016 — and more than $21 billion since 2009.

    The insourcing of IT jobs, in particular, has been part of an ongoing strategy.


    Source: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trump-jobs-returning-because-of-me/
     
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  12. Cougarbear

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    If he’s doing a great job then why would you care that Hillary lost? She would have done polar opposite of what Trump is doing. This means by simple logic and reasoning Hillary would be doing a bad job.
     
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    Is there a way to respond without the entire quote? Anyway, you lose this debate as soon as you use the spin the fake news people put on his statements about immigration equating to racism. Trump has never equated MS-13 with “All” immigrants. You can’t find the comment. Also, he makes clear distinction between illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. Something the Democrats never do.
    The ban from a handful of Muslim countries was not a ban on all the Muslim countries. So, there is no racism there. Also, there wouldn’t be racism anyway with those countries because if anything it would be a ban of religion not race. So, you are wrong there.
    The rest of it is he said she said baloney and some of it 50 years ago. You remember Robert Byrd the KKK grand wizard and senator. Hillary thought he was the greatest senator of all time! People say he changed from being a bigot racist and Jew hater. Do you believe that? Then you should believe Trump also has changed. In fact, many people have changed in their racist views for the good. All you have left are the race baiters trying to stay relevant.
    No, your list is the usual talking points that are fake.
     
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    It’s so hilarious to watch Democrats trying to deny Trump’s successes. Even the CEOs. It’s hilarious!!! The list I presented is because of the changes Trump has made happen. Plain and simple.
     
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  15. Woberts

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    You delete the parts you're not responding to.
     
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  16. Marsh

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    No, I am an atheist, but I do wish him well and hope that he doesn't do anything too stupid. I see Trump as a bit of a mixed bag but I do like a number of the things he has done, especially the moving of the embassy. He has no record in office and so is something of an unknown. He is not your typical politician either for he doesn't seem to have gotten the message that real politicians don't carry through on their election promises.
     
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    That's not how politics works. And anyway, doing the opposite of whatever Trump is doing doesn't seen half bad.
     
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  18. URAVIP2ME

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    I find that when those in power are saying, " Peace and Security " that will prove to be a ' final signal', so to speak, and prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before it is Jesus as the one who will make peace in the world including the Middle East.
     
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    First of all, to me we are all free to act responsibly toward God.
    Since it is God who allows those in office - Romans chapter 13, then as 1 Timothy 2:2 says concerning those in high positions that we should pray for them that we many go on leading a calm and quiet life with godly devotion....
    Only when the 'powers that be' overstep God's will - Acts of the Apostles 5:29 - then we should choose God's side.
     
  20. Marsh

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    :clapping: I second that. But from what I have seen you need your own version of Trump. I am in Canada and our Prime Minister seems intent on population replacement. Demographers are saying that in 50 years, at the current rate of immigration, Canada will have become a majority Muslim country. I wonder what Trump would think if he was aware of this?
     
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