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Featured Do you DARE QUESTION GOD????

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Bird123, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

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  2. Unveiled Artist

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    If you question the Truth and find out it is False, then your experiences are nil. Can one ask questions with this factor in mind or does it undermine one's faith to do so?
     
  3. Bird123

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    Experiences are never nil. If they are false, you learn what not to do. False will widen the view far greater than most people realize. The Real Truth will never be totally Discovered without False being involved in some way. People should not fight so hard to avoid it.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
  4. Unveiled Artist

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    If you question your experiences and you find out the real Truth (however named) is false, what lessons can you learn from it to find another truth or would questioning undermine the the source of your experiences thus the experiences themselves?
     
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    I don’t know why anyone would assume God doesn’t want to be asked questions?
     
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    Lessons: 1. Correcting perceptions. 2. Pointing direction forward. 3. Leading to understanding of future experiences.

    Math, not feelings of what feels right, will guide the journey forward. Real Truth will add up. Just like all the physics of the world adds up, so will everything about God and Real Truth.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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    I find this common in people who blindly accept. I do not know if religions are teaching this or not. Some are probably raised not to question their parents from childhood. You know. Don't ask questions. Do what I say. In any event, this in no way brings anyone closer to God.

    That's what I see. It's very clear!!
     
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    I remember my first big lesson on questioning God.

    My first day of 2nd grade at a Christian school my teacher put a big glass jar on her desk and let us know that we were expected to fill it with change by the end of the school year. The money was to feed poor kids in Africa.

    As an urban 7 y/o, my parents kept me on a short leash. I certainly didn't have any cash available. The first thing that occurred to me was "How much is Jesus putting in there?" I asked.
    Now I didn't have the vocabulary necessary to think about it. But I'd discovered The Problem of Evil.
    The response I got didn't help me understand the PoE, but I sure understood the perils of questioning God(or Sister Loratine). Do Not Question God was the lesson I learned. Or, more precisely, don't question religious folks out loud.
    They don't have answers and they get upset about that. I'd have to figure it out myself, just like I did Santa Claus.
    Tom
     
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    Well, you know the problem. Those people expect everyone else to question their false beliefs about God and come to realize the "truth" in their Holy Books.
     
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    Then in gets in that circular reasoning thing... "I know it's true because God said so." And then when asked how they know that, "Because my Holy Book says that God said so."
     
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    The theme discussed says my Father taught me how to be intelligent as the Father human of God relativity teaching....who also quoted and no man is God, as defined intelligence after a Satanic liar tried to illuminate his bio life with the beginning of light.

    Being a gas burning...and it fell out and fell on his head as a fallen angel to alight his mind wisdom into the crown of thorns teaching about relativity of self destruction.

    Brother to brother was his karma, spiritually.

    As his sister who learnt what the crown of thorns chemical brain burning meant, it is not my karma today or any other day either.

    If God in physical presence owns a proton, an atom, a photon or any other name...then God is holy by those conditions, hence never change them or else you will learn what Satan is.

    The intent of being illuminated, let me teach my natural self that I am wrong, for my owned spiritual origin is natural and ANTI Christ never existed first....Christ did.

    Why my great teachings about GOD in illuminated a light bulb, going off in his head, today with his brother claiming, oh your human spirit can light a bulb let me resource your bio life/spirit history...which is not an atom, which is not a proton or a photon or where light first exists...in a burning gas.

    For the history of a gas is cold first originally and in its higher form...for it to become alight to burn.

    Daring to question God......is a self statement, how dare you ignore your own Father's science teaching that said his science would allow you to be sacrificed as an adult owner who invented it...….for it was his belief to own cause of it.

    The relative status, only believe in God, all natural one forms, as multi varied Gods yet are all owned by One God mass body only, and never believe in illumination, to learn extra about science...for that is when you get destroyed...seeing a thought is just one moment, you can also die in that same one moment in the "too late" I never listened to my own advice scenario....to be taught relativity is to learn you were a Destroyer.
     
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    Teaching said as Jesus, my Father, meaning adult male living before he did...seeing he was a baby supposedly born around a fake year inference 2BC or 2AD and died as an adult about 33AD. Who said I died life sacrificed due to human SIN.

    So then you would ask, what his human SIN.

    The real answer God O EARTH stone mass once was burning light gas mass...yet stone owns no gas burning gases, very cold to be stone.

    Male adult self, his Father scientist said I WANT and did a calculation to claim how much mass of light he wanted to own to force GOD the cold gas stone to convert.

    The answer....natural atmospheric gas spirit light mass only sacrifices its own gas body....it does not own enough burning light hot gas SIN of GOD sin to do converting.

    So he invented it...then it fell out and burnt his baby to adult male life who said my Father saved life from human SIN.

    So then you would ask Jesus, like a lot of humans do.....how did that incident save us, we are all still very sick, not many really healthy humans anymore on Earth?

    No, the answer was the human mind who says I OWN it all....the fake I am God science self...who says in conscious bio life I will do whatever I want self, Father adult liar self. Who says I claim by my science thoughts that I own God mass and the powers of that stone planet and I will remove it and use it up.

    God taught him, that liar Father Scientist self, you greedy liar do not own God the power, God did the planet, and you first said to self, do not remove God from existing and ignored relativity advice. What related to you living or owning a life and surviving.

    So owner mind says.....as I own everything, when the atmospheric gases cooled down, then SIN, gases burning stopped the sacrifice upon the humans....as that sort of mind.

    As a female, non owner of KARMA for male to male self in the sciences...what you give out you get back for lying...…….as I said to the American Indian Father spirit who caused me a lot of problems by believing that he could summon rain and make it rain by singing and chanting. Whereas historically his Father had burnt the Earth gas mass atmosphere in science, it was forced to rain and it was interposed into his mind, when it got really hot, then when rain was about to come, it notified his mind.

    So he believed he controlled it. What he taught me in science studies/experiments satellite and out of space VISIONS I saw relating all male fake stories as theist and design machine attacks as a female. Had to endure it again just because you are historically all liars.

    You personally do not exist as a life human in hydrogen or any of the gases you discuss.….you live as a bio life closest to the form water....which is a separate state, water.

    Giving it a chemical or gas theme, does not remove water from being what it is, a separate state.

    When science linked us to hydrogen conditions for nuclear, it is when we got attacked...for we live close to water, not hydrogen you liars.

    It is the same as Nature owning the growth of the trees and the fruit upon it first.

    Then humans claiming land ownership, then growing the trees and picking the fruit and then making us falsely pay for it a second time, when nature never made us pay for it. That sort of inhumane mentality gets us all destroyed for making false claims by thinking that they OWN...just because they say so.

    Males in groups and history males as human liars, is a known self teaching about greed and elitism, and trade and control and invention and then wait a minute to further the use invention by resource. Destroyers in person.
     
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    This missed out on the question.

    Can you question your Real Truth and learn that " It " is false or would asking questions of the Real Truth undermine your belief in It?
     
  14. Unveiled Artist

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    It's more, though, asking question about god (rather than to god). If one finds the questions about god disproves god (or disproves one's experiences), does it undermine their faith?

    Can a christian (or any religious, actually) question their experiences/application of religious values without the conclusion the questions they ask will align with what they already think is true (confirmed biases)?
     
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    Can you not believe in the God themes, study spirituality yourself and then have it proven without any pre conceived perception of what spirit really meant?

    For I did.

    And I will advise you something. I first thought God was a condition to be in total fear of, and I was not wrong. For I lived the experience of ground facial radiation coming up out of the ground, as the status attack, and get whipped by it.

    So in these sorts of self in an experience I then said, must be what our brother discussed about crown of thorns experience. His chemical brain burn, for I had it occur and it prickles. His skin must have been very badly attacked by radiation, and it cut and flogged him, by mass of radiation, as it is metal you lying scientific Satanists.

    God the SEE was seen and witnessed due to the FACE OF GOD O its stone fusion was changed...and God pi O on the face of the water/spirit gases in the great deep, spatial zero history got changed and burnt. You burnt a huge body of our spirit.

    And our family, the Garden Nature, the animals and all humans burnt and irradiated sick and dying. Who cried and begged to be saved. I heard their life recording, and I wish that you all do too.....for maybe then you will believe and then believe in the suffering of humanity that science turns away from in a sneer.
     
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    Since I don't believe I've actually met God in my lifetime, I can't say that I've ever really questioned God. The only thing to actually question are those who claim to speak for God or any of those claiming to be God's messengers.
     
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    Not all Teachers teach this ... My Teachers teach the opposite:
    My Master says: "You are God" ... "You have not yet realized this" ... "The Goal of Life is to realize this"
    Yoga Vasistha says: "Accept wise words, even if they are from a fool" ... "Reject foolish words, even if they are from God Himself"
     
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    I disagree! When, we begin to question God, the door is open to deception. Isaiah 55:8-9 tells us: For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. Also see, Job 40:1-8, Ecclesiastes 5:2 and Romans 9:20 (NKJV though-out).

    So, I dare not to question the True God, His only begotten Son and the celestial servants of God…But, I do dare to question the thoughts and ways of man…As well as, the words they write and the words they speak.

    Note: Even though I have used bible verses for support, this posting is my personal opinion and should only be understood in that context.
     
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    Bible is about spiritual matters, which are considered higher than material world. Material world is meant to be just a temporary place and all material knowledge is at the end useless for you. Spiritual growth is much more important in the Biblical point of view.

    But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God. Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
    1 Cor. 2:12-15

    When you have right order of values, you might become to understand also physical world better.
     
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    I can see there is a long way to go.
     
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