Do you believe that Jesus is YHVH?

[Unveiled Artist]

I realized recently that not all churches actually teach, that Jesus is JHVH.

Comment if you want, and what a church may have taught you about this.

JHVH as in the father? I learned from Church that the father works through the son and through the son, the believer knows the father. So, in that sense, jesus is JHVH because the Church doesn't distinguishes the father from the son in divinity and message.

As for jesus being the creator, no. The Church doesn't teach that. It's kinda confused me at first. I understood it after the sacraments and reading the bible.

But I'm not too familiar with gods different names. If push comes to shove, I just stick with creator. That's universal in both old and new testament.

I didn't vote; but, I'd say no.

 

[Katzpur]

I assume you consider all aspects of the Godhood, as 'God'?

I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking me. Would you mind rephrasing the question?

 

[Desert Snake]

I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking me. Would you mind rephrasing the question?

Do you use the name, God, for the Godhood?

God has more than one name, in my beliefs.

 

[Katzpur]

Do you use the name, God, for the Godhood?

If I am speaking of God the Father, I usually refer to Him as "God," or "Father in Heaven." If I am speaking of His Only Begotten Son, I generally refer to Him as "Jesus Christ" or as "the Lord."

God has more than one name, in my beliefs.

I would agree with that.

 

[Desert Snake]

melchizedek was lord of abraham...........

jesus was patterned after lord melchizedek


hebrews 7

That doesn't address what I wrote, at all. One is a man, the other a god. The Scripture is religious, and theistic.

 

[Desert Snake]

If Jesus was a pattern he could not be God as God is not patterned after anything, God being always.

Jesus is considered, God, in the religion.

John 1:10

Knowing that basic idea concerning christian belief, should inform you that Jesus is not a retelling of Melchizedek, who was not a Deity.

 

[Deeje]

Jesus is considered, God, in the religion.

John 3:36..."He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

So if you obey the son you have everlasting life...but if you disobey the son "God" is is going to be angry with you? Who is "God" in this verse?

John 1:10...."He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him."

Colossians 1:15-17...."He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."

As the "firstborn of all creation" it appears that he is the one used by God to create everything else. That does not make him God...it makes him an agent of God. If Jesus created things in heaven as well as on earth, then he was the "firstborn" in the sense that he is the only direct creation of God, so the son was the agency "through" which the Father to create everything else..even the angels.

How do these scriptures confirm that Jesus is YHWH?

John 1:18...."No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."

Can you tell me how God is begotten? A begetter is a father who must exist before a son. There is nothing in scripture to support the idea that Jesus and his Father are somehow equal members of the same 'head'.

John 17:3..."This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."

This is Jesus speaking.....he refers to "the only true God" without including himself.

The apostle Paul stated..."For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."

Who did Paul say was the "one God" of Christ's followers? Not Jesus.

Who did Jesus direct all worship to? Luke 4:8..."Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’” He was quoting Deuteronomy 6:13 where the divine name יְהֹוָ֖ה appears in Hebrew.

Knowing that basic idea concerning christian belief, should inform you that Jesus is not a retelling of Melchizedek, who was a king.

Melchizedek was a King/Priest. In Israel, only Judah could produce Kings. Priests had to come from the tribe of Levi. So Jesus was appointed in the same role as Melchizedek by his Father's declaration.

Hebrews 5:5-6..."So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him,
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”;
6 just as He says also in another passage,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”

 

[wizanda]

Yeshua was an Avatar of YHVH Elohim, he is defined as the right arm of the Lord.... With the God Most High (El Elyon) being the Source of reality, and his father.

There are a number of statements by Yeshua that declare this is what he thought as well, that the Christ is the Lord of David, the Children of Israel cast out demons by his name, and that it was his house of prayer in the Synoptic Gospels.

In the Tanakh it says that the Lord will become Yeshua (Salvation), and that we will physically see the Salvation (Yeshua) from our God.

H3444 + H1961 = Exodus 15:2-3, Psalms 118:14-21, Isaiah 12:2 (2 Samuel 10:11 David Vs Ammon) +5 Verses Isaiah
H3444 + H7200 = Exodus 14:13, Psalms 98:3, Isaiah 52:10 (2 Chronicles 20:17 Jehoshaphat Vs Ammon)

In my opinion.

 

[stvdv]

I wonder if you have the guts to read this book?

https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512

Thanks, just reading the little intro, puts the Bible enough in perspective to know for almost a fact that "nothing can be sure anymore"
[Like my computer, the Bible needs an update. We need Jesus here now, videorecord + spelling-checker to get our new Bible-update]
[Until that time, I think whatever we try to interpret from the Bible is just speculation and besides the real truth as given by Jesus]
For almost 1,500 years, the New Testament manuscripts were copied by hand––and mistakes and intentional changes abound in the competing manuscript versions. Religious and biblical scholar Bart Ehrman makes the provocative case that many of our widely held beliefs concerning the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, and the divine origins of the Bible itself are the results of both intentional and accidental alterations by scribes.

 

[Brickjectivity]

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/5767/why-does-moses-change-hoseas-name-to-joshua

Here is a long discussion of the name given to Jesus. Its interesting since Moses changed the name of his 2nd-in-command called Hoshea to Jesus (see Numbers 13:16) although the pronunciation at the time was quite different. In addition Jesus name is given deliberately, and he is named after this man.

 

[Fool]

If Jesus was a pattern he could not be God as God is not patterned after anything, God being always.

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

[savagewind]

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

OK. I believe it.

 

[Fool]

That doesn't address what I wrote, at all. One is a man, the other a god. The Scripture is religious, and theistic.

the scripture is errant if you believe idolatry is permissible and jesus is the only god.

melchizedek was a god. you are all gods. he was called Lord by abraham.

it is associated with him that we first encounter El

 

[savagewind]

I am considering that YHVH is the power that allows for the universe and keeps it going. I believe YHVH can actually (despite what Science says) keep it going forever if that is God's will. I don't believe YHVH is invested in it. But, I think that Jesus is invested in it.

 

[Wotans Krieger]

Jesus was a human. Correct?

No, he is a mythological and literary construct. There is no contemporary or physical evidence to support the theory that he ever existed.

 

[savagewind]

No, he is a mythological and literary construct. There is no contemporary or physical evidence to support the theory that he ever existed.

OK. That might be right but the religions of Christendom believe he was a real person.

 

[stvdv]

No, he is a mythological and literary construct. There is no contemporary or physical evidence to support the theory that he ever existed.

Then the answer is "we can't say with any certainty if He ever existed nor if He ever Not existed" IMO.

 

[Wotans Krieger]

Then the answer is "we can't say with any certainty if He ever existed nor if He ever Not existed" IMO.

But the church would have us then believe that this unhistorical personage is somehow the 'son of god' and the 'only way' to 'salvation'. Millions of people have been tortured and murdered because of this mythological and literary construct!

 

[Wotans Krieger]

OK. That might be right but the religions of Christendom believe he was a real person.

Yes and they have tortured and murdered millions for that belief!

 

[BilliardsBall]

I realized recently that not all churches actually teach, that Jesus is JHVH.

Comment if you want, and what a church may have taught you about this.

No one person could save mankind. Jesus is divine and claimed to be uniquely one with God.