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Featured Do you believe in God?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Segev Moran, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. buddhist

    buddhist Well-Known Member

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    I was focusing on it's alleged qualities of eternality and infinity, not on omnipotence.
     
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    The act of creation (cause & effect) shows that it would be subject to time.
     
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    Are you saying that infinity cannot exist in the real world?
     
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    Which one of them?

    U didn't get what I said
    Time is not an entity
    By creation the first move will begin and we call this move Time
    So time is a concept that we infer from the act of creation just like causality
    When a cause creates something we infer the concept of causality

    So time doesn't exist as a separate existence
     
  5. buddhist

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    The nature of infinite eternality demands that the thing which possesses that quality must be static, and cannot act, since action demands finite-ness.
     
  6. buddhist

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    What prompts "creation" that created Time?
     
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    First cause created the first creature and we infer the time from the act of creation
    Time isn't something to be created
    It's just a concept that we understand from creation

    First seems we should understand what time it is then argue about that
     
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    Umm, no it doesn't. Why would it? Where did you get such an idea?
     
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    Time to me is simply sequences of events, cause and effect. Creation is an act within time. If there was no time, then no creation can happen.
     
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  10. buddhist

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    If something is infinite, then it possesses All within itself, and nothing else needs to be created, or else it would not be infinite.
     
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    We can still add to infinity, you know, so that doesn't mean that it necessarily possesses everything within itself.
     
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    Is Sequence of events an entity??????
    If not so the first cause when hadn't created anything there would not be any time
    Am I wrong???
     
  13. buddhist

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    That's not the understanding I hold regarding infinity.
     
  14. buddhist

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    What I'm saying that, if there could not have been a "first cause", because such a thing would need to be subject to time.
     
  15. Milton Platt

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    Wouldn't it be up to the person who believes in a deity to define what it is they believe the deity is?
     
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    Thank you. :) Although I'm sure that my answer cannot be applied to everyone. We all have our own reasons.
     
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