PureX
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Yes. I have a pretty good mind, and I'm not afraid to use it. And if God exists, I doubt that God will be offended by my using it, either.Oh, so you just pull truth from your own mind like our friend Jose. Got it.
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Yes. I have a pretty good mind, and I'm not afraid to use it. And if God exists, I doubt that God will be offended by my using it, either.Oh, so you just pull truth from your own mind like our friend Jose. Got it.
If a Christian believes that the creation accounts are not historically or scientifically accurate, but that it possibly is allegory, and yet they believe and act like Christians, what's the problem? Sheeesh!
Genesis 1 refers to 24 hour days. There is really no getting around it. There are no billions of years and I tire of seeing Christians try to justify billions of years in Genesis 1.
If God was so blatantly by the letter, and a day can only mean 1 day our time, none of us would be here because Adam and Eve would have died before having children.
God said to Adam "In the day you eat of it you will surely die".
So Go away deceitful worker. Your only purpose is to make scripture look impossible to be true.
If the 6 creative days are just 24-hrs each, then is the ' day ' mentioned at Genesis 2:4 also a 24-hr. day.
I find Noah's day to be more than a 24-hr. day, or was your grandfather's day only a 24-hr.day.
If God's 7th day was also a 24-hr. day, then I wonder how His day was still on going according to Hebrews 4:4-11.
If God was so blatantly by the letter, and a day can only mean 1 day our time, none of us would be here because Adam and Eve would have died before having children.
God said to Adam "In the day you eat of it you will surely die".
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Its through Ezekiel you are getting this message. Depending on man to give you gods message. Some skip the books and go to god directly,
They died spiritually. Physical death came later.
It's not a binary situation.
Nah, they died within a 1,000 year day.
2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
No, the modern science that does not teach the universe came from "nothing". I don't believe there is a modern scientist that teaches this? Do you know of one? Can you cite them?It depends on your definition of "modern science" as it relates to the creation of the universe in the beginning. If that includes the universe being created from nothing and that "modern science" cannot answer where space, matter, energy and time came from, "in the beginning" then the answer is yes.
Nope. Because that's not what science investigates. It only deals with what it can observe and measure.Can you tell me, using modern science, where space, matter, energy and time came from and from what?
There is none. That of course does not mean YOUR interpretation of Genesis is the answer to this grand mystery. BTW, I do believe God is the source of all that is. I just don't buy your reading of Genesis as science. Honestly, you shouldn't either.In case you overlook the intent, this has nothing to do with explaining the process after the BB, it is about "in the beginning", before the BB and I would like to see empirical evidence for your answers.
Yes, within a ' thousand-year day ' they would die. That is why Adam died before age 1,000 at Genesis 5:5.
Even the oldest person recorded at Genesis 5:27 died before age 1,000.
Jesus' coming 'millennium-long day' of governing over Earth is a thousand-year day.
Since God is Not limited by time as we are, a thousand years is as a day in His eyes as per Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8.
That verse does not mean 1000 years = 1 day. It means that time is nothing to God, he controls it, it does not limit Him.
So why on Earth do so many modern Christians think they are supposed to be following and adhering to some ancient Jewish religious text when they are neither living in an ancient society, nor are they even Jews?
That's because you don't understand what Hebrews 4 is talking about.
"Christ" is a term that refers to a state of being. That is the state of being an exemplification of "God's divine spirit" that resides within us.
No, God did not claim this. The author(s) of Genesis wove this into their story about how they saw the role of God and the existence of the natural world came to be, in their imagination. It's a wonderful story! Full of truths and meaning! But not full of scientific facts about how the world actually came to be formed. It's metaphor.It matters because God claims that He created the universe in six days so either He did or He lied.
Lot's of Christians, including some of the early church fathers from the 2nd century! Aside from that, read some comparative origin myths of other religions, and read the scholars that look at these. If you insist in mashing the words into a literal interpretation you have to do unpalatable mental gymnastics to make it fit. If God wrote this himself, he didn't have a great deal of insight into the future where critical analysis would see obvious flaws and inconsistencies.Says who and on what grounds?
What does "believe in the scriptures" actually mean to you? You mean believing they were dictated by God and are a substitute for modern scholarship and science? Well, I do not believe that modern doctrine of biblical infallibility. I do not believe the Chicago Statement on Biblical inerrancy, whatsoever. Nor do I, or any other Christian need to in order to say they find truth and value in scripture.Remember, this is about Christians who profess to believe the Judeo-Christian scriptures, it has nothing to do with "modern science"
The whole thing. The whole chapter is.“God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.” (Genesis 1:5, NASB95)
What words in that verse are metaphors, what is their meaning and what do you base your answers on?
Define what you mean by inspired? Do mean dicated? Then flatly, no. I do not. By inspired by what is in the soul of man reaching out to that Holy Spirit that is in all Life and existence, then yes! I do. That however does NOT make the thoughts and inspirations expressed to be "infallible and inerrant in every way". Not at all. Meaningful, yes. Containing Truth? Yes.Do you believe scripture is the inspired word of God, yes or no?
I don't understand the question. I'm not implying that. I thought you were? You say Genesis (your reading of it), informs you science has it wrong. So that to me says you think that its account is the correct explanation, and science is wrong until it confirms your beliefs for you, at which point you'll happily say you were right along and your faith is justified. Is that a wrong statement?Can you quote me even implying, much less stating, that Genesis should be taken as a "scientific explanation"?
Neither.Let me give you my analogy of the supernatural...
In the beginning, God created the heavens and earth.
In the beginning, there was nothing and then nothing exploded and over billlllions and billllions of years, the universe was created.
Which one of those is a "scientific explanation"?
JOHN 14:6 KJV "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." - King James Bible