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Featured Do you believe after death life?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by frbnsn, Mar 7, 2021.

  1. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but why should consciousness disappear at death and not continue on forever? If the universe exists forever, why not consciousness? What's the facts say when nobody knows what consciousness is?

    There's a lot of assumptions and claims about it. I don't think anyone truly knows. It's off the map of human reason.

    My logic is that intelligence and consciousness is so carefully coordinated that its existence is far from accidental and fluke. It's certainly not physically inevitable. It is entirely its own thing. To describe it sufficiently defies language.

    I tend to believe in an afterlife.
     
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  2. Kfox

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    Isn't "afterlife:" basically just going from one type of life to another; that you never really die?
     
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  3. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    That's my understanding of it. Yes.
     
  4. Nakosis

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    I suspect consciousness is a manifestation of the physical body. When the body is gone, so is consciousness.

    I imagine it will be just like going to sleep. You may have a few dreams then nothing. You just don't wake up.
     
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  5. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    Yes, I am a believer beyond reasonable doubt from many different types of evidence and paranormal evidence.
     
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  6. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Definitely. We are alive now. We used to be dead prior.

    The ego or personality dosent survive though. That's where the only true death occurs without a repeat as being the same person as you are now.
     
  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Of course not. What I do understand, however, is that an unreasoning fear of death makes the idea of eternal life so attractive to people that they have little choice but to believe it -- in spite of the very real fact that there is no shred of evidence FOR it, and as great deal of evidence AGAINST it.

    But then again, when did evidence ever have anything to do with people are willing to believe?

    For myself, I am not possessed of an unreasoning fear of death. I can simply imagine for myself what it felt like for me when Lincoln was President, or Jesus was alive, or King Cheops was building his pyramid -- and the answer is that since I did not exist, it did not feel like anything at all. And that is exactly the case for after my life has ended.
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    Not immediate as people who believe in ' afterlife ' ( afterlife as meaning: more alive 'after' death than before death)
    It is future Resurrection that will bring life later after death - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    The dead know nothing - Ecclesiastes 9:5. Nothing but 'sleep'- Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; John 11:11-14.
    So, the dead will know life again during Resurrection Day
    ( Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years )

    Only some people will be resurrected to Heaven: People like those of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18.
    The majority of people can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to live life on Earth - John 3:13.
    A beautiful paradisical Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, I would agree ' off the map of human reason ', but to me Not off the mind of Jesus' reason.
    Because Jesus likened death to 'sleep', and while asleep we are Not aware, Not conscious of the passing of time.
    To me the old Hebrew Scriptures are also 'off the map of human reason'.- Isaiah 55:9
    And like Jesus, the OT teaches the dead are Not conscious - Ecclesiastes 9:5
    The dead are in a sleep-like state according to Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18.

    Just as we are Not consciously aware before birth, we are Not conscious after death.
    Kind of like the man Adam. Adam went from non-life, to life, and returned back to non-life - Genesis 3:19.
     
  10. URAVIP2ME

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    I find only the wicked are: destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35
    Resurrection is for both: the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    So, both Christians and pre-Christians will be resurrected.- John 3:13
    Resurrected on Resurrection Day.
    Resurrection Day meaning : Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
    Then, even resurrected non-Christians will have the opportunity to learn and put trust in Jesus before the thousand years ends.
    After the thousand years those alive will have then gained everlasting life forever and ever.
     
  11. Sir Joseph

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    I wouldn't expect any Atheist, Humanist, or Materialist to believe in an afterlife, but for others that might be less committed to a naturalistic view, you really should consider the evidence.

    Even if one doesn't subscribe to any of the various religions teaching mankind's presence of an eternal soul, it's hard to ignore all of the testimonies affirming this. There's been several books written on the topic of life after death, with thousands of interviews conducted on subjects having biological near death experiences. Many of these accounts have been at least partially verified from doctors' details, making it highly unlikely, if not impossible, for all of them to be dismissed as folly.

    YouTube has several interesting NDE accounts that I've just begun to watch and assess. Following, is the best I've found yet from an expert in the field who has authored an excellent book on the subject. You know, denying one's Creator or soul won't negate the reality, and so far the Christian perspective holds up true to the evidence for this reality, be it scientific empirical evidence for the creation, prophetic evidence for the Bible's authority, or NDE testimony evidence for the accounts of meeting Jesus in Heaven. Here's a 45 minute sermon on the subject for anyone wanting some insight on what lies ahead after our time here.

     
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    So Christians will be getting their brains back after they die?
     
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    After the last four years, I think more Americans probably believe in hell now. :)
     
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  14. Windwalker

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    I believe in Life. Death is just part of that.
     
  15. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    That's my premise. Just like this life where you just woke up. There's no doubt it's going to happen again just like this one did.

    Question is what and where the lights will turn on again.
     
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    Either you go to an after life for a relatively long time, the samsara equivalent to Heaven, or if your right you can go to greater Heaven through nirvana.
     
  17. SeekingAllTruth

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    That's about what atheists believe anyway.
     
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    I'd like to but I see no evidence of it. I think believing in a life to come would make dying dying easier to do. Right now I contemplate getting a terminal illness diagnosis and wondering what I'd do. It's easy to say, "I'd elect physician assisted death" but it's another thing to actually watch the doctor insert the needle into my vein and ask, "Ready?" I wonder if I am that brave. But on YouTube I did watch a guy with ALS in Switzerland where PAD is legal explain, "I can die now--or I can fight to say alive, suffer horribly, drain my savings, leave my wife with nothing, put her through the misery of watching me waste away--and die anyway. To me the choice seems obvious." An afterlife just seems to good to be true so I have to be a realist and conclude, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
     
  19. Trailblazer

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    An afterlife seems like the only way for God to recompense all those (like me) who have suffered so much in this life. That is why I do not believe it is "too good to be true."

    Of course that is not the only reason I believe in an afterlife. I believe in it primarily because of what Baha'u'llah wrote and also because of what others who communicated with spirits in the afterlife have written.
     
  20. eldritchsleep

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    I do not believe that an afterlife or anything supernatural exists. Studies into DMT have found a connection to near death experiences (NDEs) and the fact that they can be induced in altered states of mind tell me that what people experience in an NDE is nothing supernatural and entirely chemical.
    Obviously, I do not know this to be true but the evidence seems to be against an afterlife as far as I am aware. I expect my experience of after death to be the same as before birth - nonexistent.
     
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