Do Women See More Than Men?

[KPereira]

"Answering questions has nothing to do with detail"

Jeopardy has everything to do with paying attention to detail, in many subjects.

How so? All you are doing is answering questions...

 

[Quiddity]

But according to the neurobiologists, men are no less dominated by hormones than are women. It's just that men are dominated by the same hormone (testosterone) through out the month, while women are dominated by four or five at different times through out the month.

What does this exactly indicate? Doesn't more hormomes complicate situations?

 

[KPereira]

What does this exactly indicate? Doesn't more hormomes complicate situations?

Thats what I thought. I thought that was the reason women tend to be more emotional than men (AND BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT, THAT WAS A GENERALIZATION!).

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What does this exactly indicate? Doesn't more hormomes complicate situations?

Of course it does.........dear Victor, haven't you learned by now that women were created just to make things more difficult for men?



We don't see it that way at all, obviously. We only complicate things in order to more easily discern whether a prospective partner would make a good mate. That's why we do the things we do. We want to see if the man in question works well under pressure.



For example: I'll just happily end this conversation, turn off the computer, and then turn on some Joni Mitchell on our stereo. I'll sit down with some tea, some bread and strawberry jam, listen for a little bit, and then begin to cry.


Most women will understand exactly what I'm talking about.


The task at hand for my man isn't so much trying to understand what it is I'm feeling.........just go and buy me some flowers, offer them to me, and kiss me all over while reminding me how beautiful I am.



Does this make any sense, guys?




Peace,
Mystic

 

[KPereira]

Of course it does.........dear Victor, haven't you learned by now that women were created just to make things more difficult for men?



We don't see it that way at all, obviously. We only complicate things in order to more easily discern whether a prospective partner would make a good mate. That's why we do the things we do. We want to see if the man in question works well under pressure.



For example: I'll just happily end this conversation, turn off the computer, and then turn on some Joni Mitchell on our stereo. I'll sit down with some tea, some bread and strawberry jam, listen for a little bit, and then begin to cry.


Most women will understand exactly what I'm talking about.


The task at hand for my man isn't so much trying to understand what it is I'm feeling.........just go and buy me some flowers, offer them to me, and kiss me all over while reminding me how beautiful I am.



Does this make any sense, guys?




Peace,
Mystic

Women....an enigma wrapped in a puzzle

 

[Random]

...haven't you learned by now that women were created just to make things more difficult for men?

That's annoyingly coy: are men supposed to chuckle @ this and say "huh-huh, yeah we know..."? I'd rather women facilitated men (and vice-versa) more instead of seeing themselves as a seperate antagonistic speices or something.

We don't see it that way at all, obviously. We only complicate things in order to more easily discern whether a prospective partner would make a good mate. That's why we do the things we do. We want to see if the man in question works well under pressure.

That's unhelpful. I would prefer a woman who won't test me to satisfy her own criteria: otherwise I would be suspicious of love and trust and honesty lacking in our (potential) relationship.

For example: I'll just happily end this conversation, turn off the computer, and then turn on some Joni Mitchell on our stereo. I'll sit down with some tea, some bread and strawberry jam, listen for a little bit, and then begin to cry.

Sound like manic depression to me. How come most of my female friends don't go on this way?

Most women will understand exactly what I'm talking about.

If you say so...I get the feeling you're projecting that stuff onto other members of your sex though.

The task at hand for my man isn't so much trying to understand what it is I'm feeling.........just go and buy me some flowers, offer them to me, and kiss me all over while reminding me how beautiful I am.

So you like your chosen mate to be an ego-customizer of emotional shams and gimmicks? I thought you were a Buddhist. The women I know don't like a fawny man: it's considered insincere, and is that. Narcolepsy and self-centredness are not admirable traits in either the male or female, nor is a crushingly dependent "other half" desirable.

Does this make any sense, guys?

NO.

(NB# This post is politicially incorrect and un-romantic: do not read if you are a committed Bluepill. It might cause a giggling fit from which you may never recover... )

 

[KPereira]

Hahahahaha. However, women to tend to get more emotional than men. Probably to do with the fact that men are more aggressive and like to solve problems through action. Women tend to be more passive and solve problems through negotiations and discussion.

I agree with Godlike's point of view on women. I'd prefer a more straightforward woman who doesn't 'test' me through actions like breaking down crying to see how I would react. That only abuses trust, in my opinion. Someone who is heavily dependent on you is quite cumbersome.

 

[logician]

The premise of this thread is wrong, women in general see "differently" than men, not "more" than men.

 

[KPereira]

The premise of this thread is wrong, women in general see "differently" than men, not "more" than men.

That I can agree with 100%

 

[MysticSang'ha]

That's annoyingly coy: are men supposed to chuckle @ this and say "huh-huh, yeah we know..."? I'd rather women facilitated men (and vice-versa) more instead of seeing themselves as a seperate antagonistic speices or something.



That's unhelpful. I would prefer a woman who won't test me to satisfy her own criteria: otherwise I would be suspicious of love and trust and honesty lacking in our (potential) relationship.



Sound like manic depression to me. How come most of my female friends don't go on this way?



If you say so...I get the feeling you're projecting that stuff onto other members of your sex though.



So you like your chosen mate to be an ego-customizer of emotional shams and gimmicks? I thought you were a Buddhist. The women I know don't like a fawny man: it's considered insincere, and is that. Narcolepsy and self-centredness are not admirable traits in either the male or female, nor is a crushingly dependent "other half" desirable.



NO.

(NB# This post is politicially incorrect and un-romantic: do not read if you are a committed Bluepill. It might cause a giggling fit from which you may never recover... )

For a second there, I thought you were serious, Godlike.



I was trying my hand at sarcasm in response to Victor's post. :angel2:



Although, some female emotional ups and downs do occur..........that is something that women can attest to without the label of manic depression or bipolar disorder.



Oh, and me being Buddhist? I guess I'm a bad example of one, you have a point. Things like drinking alcohol and eating meat - and now my former post - has put my beliefs into question..........yet, I thought that Eclectics like yourself didn't make straightforward and unromantic posts, either.



Peace,
Mystic

 

[Random]

Oh, and me being Buddhist? I guess I'm a bad example of one, you have a point. Things like drinking alcohol and eating meat - and now my former post - has put my beliefs into question..........yet, I thought that Eclectics like yourself didn't make straightforward and unromantic posts, either.

We normally don't.

 

[painted wolf]

isn't it funny how all this talk of women being different from men focuses on the Western/modern view of how women behave.

Emotional, sensitive blah blah blah.

In Native American cultures women were hard workers, skilled craftspersons, tough, often indipendant minded, rulers (matriarchies are the norm) of the household and advisors to the men.

none of this flighty,"emotional", dellicate bunk.

wa:do

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

I believe that women have an easier time "seeing" more because we are emotional. It's more commonly known as intuition. I have a very strong intuition, and my boyfriend recently found out just how accurate it can be. I can see that he is lying to me, and he did the typical deny deny deny. He said I was crazy, I had no 'proof' and how could he argue with my 'feelings', etc., well, I dropped it. Well a few weeks passed and his lies ended up biting him in the ***.

There was no proof, no tell-tell signs, there was just a feeling in the pit of my stomache that made me want to vomit. We have worked through it. It was not something he needed to lie about, and I was more upset that he was making me question my intuition. My body was telling me what was true, and he was trying to convince me that my body was lying to me.

The problem with intuition is that is based on 'feelings' and not actual proof. And our emotions can be influenced by past experience. I have to always check and see if my feelings are based on what is truth, or based on fear of past experiences.

Anyway, I say, yes, typically women can see more than men. But there are exceptions to the rules.

 

[logician]

isn't it funny how all this talk of women being different from men focuses on the Western/modern view of how women behave.

Emotional, sensitive blah blah blah.

In Native American cultures women were hard workers, skilled craftspersons, tough, often indipendant minded, rulers (matriarchies are the norm) of the household and advisors to the men.

none of this flighty,"emotional", dellicate bunk.

wa:do

The same was true of women in America 2 or 3 generations ago. My grandmother, for example, lived on a farm in Illinois and could keep pace with any man in physical labor. Women today in America by comparison are spoiled beyond belief.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

However, women to tend to get more emotional than men. Probably to do with the fact that men are more aggressive and like to solve problems through action. Women tend to be more passive and solve problems through negotiations and discussion.

I fail to see how testosterone or estrogen makes you see more/less. While more testosterone will make you more aggressive, it doesn't effect you in seeing the whole picture.

 

[painted wolf]

I've never seen any evidence that men are less emotional than women.
They are just under more societal pressure to "keep control" and "act tough" then women are.

Again this is cultural not biological.
Just like too much testosterone can have emotionaly unballanceing effects so can too much estrogen.

wa:do

 

[YmirGF]

So, do women inherently see more than men?

I think they do. It is my experience that women are not afraid of their emotions or displaying of those emotions. Women, in general, feel and allow themselves to feel. Men, otoh, have a tendency to mask their feelings and emotions, as if they did not exist.

Over the years I have found I gravitate towards women, which is sort of odd, given that I am bi with a perference for men. I find that women are FAR more understanding and like Booko said we tend to relate to each other, certainly far better than I relate to men. I have also found that you have to be very clear and precise when dealing with the average male otherwise they just don't get what you are talking about. Perhaps I have just run into men who do not have much imagination or it could be an environmental and cultural "feature" we have instilled in males.

Do they inherently tend to take into account the fuller picture?

Again, I think so. Males, in my experience, seems to suffer from tunnel vision and have a tendency to view their world in black and white terms. Women allow for gray areas much more frequently than their counterparts... as a rule.

Are they more nuanced in their understanding of people and events?

By and large, yes, although I would place the special emphasis on people. Again, women seem to be more understanding than men or perhaps a better word is more tolerant.

Are men more focused than women?

Yes and no. Yes in the regard that many women can develope intense focus and seem to work from "things to do" lists better than men. Given the myriad of chores women/mothers perform on a daily basis, this is not a huge surprise. They become excellent time managers due to necessity. Men, on the other hand can be totally focused, but seem to be linear, rather than multitasking. I know I have become frustrated with men who cannot handle more than one thing at a time and have to be given the room to complete a given task before they move on to the next task. Women are far better jugglers, although as a multitasking male, that is proof that some of us exist.

Are men better able to get to the gist or essential point than women?

It depends, Phil. It is difficult to pin down really. It it is emotional or abstract, then absolutely. If the thing is like following instructions men seem to do so more willingly. As a mini proof of this... go ahead and TELL your wife/girlfriend what she is to do and wait for the backlash. If you say, give them a task and leave them to their own devices it will usually be done better than you expected. If you give men tasks without clear instruction you often end up with a mess as their interest wanes.

So yeah, women ROCK! Men.... need guidance. Aside: I have also found that women can be far more resourceful than men. They seem to come up with highly creative, less predictable, scenarios than men. Rendered into a simple set of equations:

Men = 1+1=2
Women = 1 + 1 + 4 + 6 - 10 x 2 divided by 4 +1 = 2

 

[logician]

1.I think they do. It is my experience that women are not afraid of their emotions or displaying of those emotions. Women, in general, feel and allow themselves to feel. Men, otoh, have a tendency to mask their feelings and emotions, as if they did not exist.

2.Over the years I have found I gravitate towards women, which is sort of odd, given that I am bi with a perference for men. I find that women are FAR more understanding and like Booko said we tend to relate to each other, certainly far better than I relate to men. I have also found that you have to be very clear and precise when dealing with the average male otherwise they just don't get what you are talking about. Perhaps I have just run into men who do not have much imagination or it could be an environmental and cultural "feature" we have instilled in males.

3.Again, I think so. Males, in my experience, seems to suffer from tunnel vision and have a tendency to view their world in black and white terms. Women allow for gray areas much more frequently than their counterparts... as a rule.

4.By and large, yes, although I would place the special emphasis on people. Again, women seem to be more understanding than men or perhaps a better word is more tolerant.

5.Yes and no. Yes in the regard that many women can develope intense focus and seem to work from "things to do" lists better than men. Given the myriad of chores women/mothers perform on a daily basis, this is not a huge surprise. They become excellent time managers due to necessity. Men, on the other hand can be totally focused, but seem to be linear, rather than multitasking. I know I have become frustrated with men who cannot handle more than one thing at a time and have to be given the room to complete a given task before they move on to the next task. Women are far better jugglers, although as a multitasking male, that is proof that some of us exist.

6.It depends, Phil. It is difficult to pin down really. It it is emotional or abstract, then absolutely. If the thing is like following instructions men seem to do so more willingly. As a mini proof of this... go ahead and TELL your wife/girlfriend what she is to do and wait for the backlash. If you say, give them a task and leave them to their own devices it will usually be done better than you expected. If you give men tasks without clear instruction you often end up with a mess as their interest wanes.

6.So yeah, women ROCK! Men.... need guidance. Aside: I have also found that women can be far more resourceful than men. They seem to come up with highly creative, less predictable, scenarios than men. Rendered into a simple set of equations:

Men = 1+1=2
Women = 1 + 1 + 4 + 6 - 10 x 2 divided by 4 +1 = 2

1. Women probably are more emotional than men, but this certainly isn't always a favorable trait, as their emotions often overrule their intellect.

2. Another possilbibity is that women are in general more "illogical" than men, and it takes a lot of culling of misinformation to get to the real facts.

3. I don't necessarily agree with this, I think men many times are less judgemental than women.

4. I definitely don't agree with this. I've worked for many women and men in my career, and the men in general have been more tolerant of mistakes.

5. Multitasking is learned, I don't think either sex has an advantage here.

6. Certainly not proven in the realm of history, or in business.

 

[Cynic]

Of course it does.........dear Victor, haven't you learned by now that women were created just to make things more difficult for men?



We don't see it that way at all, obviously. We only complicate things in order to more easily discern whether a prospective partner would make a good mate. That's why we do the things we do. We want to see if the man in question works well under pressure.



For example: I'll just happily end this conversation, turn off the computer, and then turn on some Joni Mitchell on our stereo. I'll sit down with some tea, some bread and strawberry jam, listen for a little bit, and then begin to cry.


Most women will understand exactly what I'm talking about.


The task at hand for my man isn't so much trying to understand what it is I'm feeling.........just go and buy me some flowers, offer them to me, and kiss me all over while reminding me how beautiful I am.



Does this make any sense, guys?

Um no...

 

[YmirGF]

1. Women probably are more emotional than men, but this certainly isn't always a favorable trait, as their emotions often overrule their intellect.

2. Another possilbibity is that women are in general more "illogical" than men, and it takes a lot of culling of misinformation to get to the real facts.

3. I don't necessarily agree with this, I think men many times are less judgemental than women.

4. I definitely don't agree with this. I've worked for many women and men in my career, and the men in general have been more tolerant of mistakes.

5. Multitasking is learned, I don't think either sex has an advantage here.

6. Certainly not proven in the realm of history, or in business.

And you are most certainly entitled to your opinions.