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Featured Do we Realize Isaiah 13:10 Prophesied Betelgeuse Will go Supernova?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Jan 3, 2020.

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  1. Milton Platt

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    The constellation Orion is just a grouping of stars that look like a pattern from our particular vantage point. There is a single star within this group which may or may or may not have exploded. The light takes about 430 years to reach us, so it could have already exploded tens of millions of years ago and we would not yet know it.
     
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    Your answer is a clear giveaway, you are definitely not an enlightened person, because again you answer are out of context to the previous posts.
     
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  3. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    We can prove I'm here as Christ before Judgement Day as prophesied; not sure why people keep saying 'when Christ comes', and ignoring all the evidence presented from all the world's religious text on the forum.

    It makes very little sense that the whole world rejects the 2nd coming, (Luke 17:25, Revelation 13:8-10, Quran 43:60-77); yet as it is written people are to wicked to even listen properly, without trying to argue, and accuse (satan), that someone else is always wrong.

    In Revelation 14:10-12 is the Supernova, with the Fire and Brimstone that shall burn the earth, and as the Archangel/Messiah sent before it, I'm saying it is soon (Deuteronomy 32).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Do you have anything better than "soon"?
     
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  5. Mock Turtle

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    Yes, but the crap hitting the fan could be said for almost any era. You seem to be picking out various events as if these are unique when they are not (supernovas are no doubt common compared to the timescale of our existence). We haven't witnessed such prophesizing before? I think we have - so why would we believe you?

    I have the simple problem of not taking anything in any religious texts as being factual for the rather obvious reason - how can we trust such when the knowledge around then was hardly above caveman level? If something practical had emanated from early religious texts, apart from rather nebulous stuff (like love one another) I might be more inclined to take them seriously, and unfortunately many have the habit of finding whatever evidence they are looking for - it's called bias.
     
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  6. wizanda

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    True, if I was more enlightened, I'd recognize every brainwave pattern; where then I'd not give an ape a calculator, and ask it to solve calculus.

    The idea it throws the calculator at me though, shows it has emotional issues, where it needs counselling; where as an archangel I'd do better at explaining how we can fix human psychology.

    As the both of us have been traumatised by past bullying interactions; I do not throw calculators back at people, I give them the answers, even if it means being caned by the headmaster for cheating.

    We should learn within inner meditation, first to deal with how we feel about each person who hurt us, learn to unconditionally love; find what hurt them, go beyond the pain, stop hitting others with it.

    Oneness unconditionally loves infinitely. :purpleheart::blueheart::greenheart::yellowheart::heart:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  7. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Do you realize this is literally what the Quran says in chapter 43:60-77, that Christ is here with clear signs to fix everything, and everyone waits for the Fire to burn them.

    Soon is before WW3 according to Yeshua, and Isaiah or our real name Yeshayahu (ישׁעיהו) and Yehoshua (יהושׁע); which are versions of the same person, who was symbolically named by Moses, if we take on board reincarnation (Gilgul).

    It is like Cassandra warning Troy throughout time, as different characters in books, that these things will soon happen, and unfortunately it appears none will take it seriously; yet at least it shows prophecy is real, and people are Jokers (כסיליהם).

    In Greek culture Zan is a spelling of Zeus; so Cassandra was an anagram of our name anyway.

    Thus it seems the Fire is in the next few days before War, and then after the age of Godliness, as it is a bit pointless trying to convince people to listen to their own religious texts books.

    Plus apparently the Elite's Emperor Trump on Twitter, is more important than an Elohim (Divine Being) as Messiah on Religious Forums. :oops:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  8. wizanda

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    The idea you believe in Caveman theory in the last ten thousand years is silly sorry; we had advanced civilizations before the flood, that built pyramids all over the world.

    We then had entheogen assisted cultures like the Land of Mu, Bon (Tibetan), Egyptian, Greek, etc which were highly educated, and now in this modern times, people are dumbed down by chemicals in their diets on purpose.
    Moses sets up a Curse (Deuteronomy 28), where it says the people will eventually not listen to the things of the Source of reality (God); so they will go against murdering their own Messiah (Zechariah 11, Isaiah 52:10-14 - Isaiah 53:1-11), and then choose their own Leaders.

    Then a Holy Fire will come (Deuteronomy 29:19-27) where Yeshua sets the Snare, as people don't listen properly (Deuteronomy 32:15-22).

    The idea we see that the Children of Israel suffered for the last two thousand years what Moses stated, means the next bit is inevitable, and it is only a lack of study that leads people not to be aware of how concise it all is.

    Rabbinic Judaism (Zionism) according to the Curse is exactly opposite to the truth (Deuteronomy 31:24-29, Deuteronomy 28:28-29, Zechariah 12:4); so the world is currently upside down on purpose, before they try to start WW3.

    If Rabbinic Judaism accepted Messianic prophecy on Religious Forums, there are other potentialities.

    The worst bit of what you just stated, is the Gospel of John is made up to catch out the hypocrites, and Yeshua didn't actually say "Love One Another"...

    Yeshua taught we're down near Hell in Judaism (Matthew 23:15, Matthew 23:33), and to love Source first with both eyes (Matthew 6:22-24); then to unconditionally love people (Matthew 22:37-40), as they are evil since we're down near Hell (Matthew 7:11), so matter corrupts us (Matthew 6:19-21).
    Try actually questioning independently, before accusing everyone religious of being bias. :oops:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  9. Mock Turtle

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    Perhaps a little colloquial but essentially they didn't know much at all - about the human body, about the human mind, about the life around them and the life that inhabited their own bodies, about the stars and associated planets, about the laws of nature, about how long the universe had existed - one could go on, but apparently some of the wise got instructions (from above) detailing stuff that was just too important not to mention rather than any of these things. Unless of course one was to interpret anything written how one chose - which is what I see here. And has been the case ever since these things have been written down - interpretation upon interpretation.

    You have a funny notion of 'advanced civilisation'. :oops:
     
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    If the prophecy is so clear, why were you only able to identify it after the fact?
     
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    Ultimately, it is my 100% honest belief and surety (call it the universe giving me this information - that would seem to jive better with YOUR expectations of what constitutes good reasons to believe things, wouldn't it?) that you will be proven wrong by the simple progression of time.
     
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    Also, I'd like you to note that you decided to reply to the "all must die" portion, which is, admittedly, hyperbolic and easily dismissed by saying exactly as you have - that it is not "all" that must die. Very clever of you.

    However, you didn't even touch the part where I caught you stating "sons of perdition who say 'the time is near'….". You ARE stating that "the time is near," are you not? I understand exactly why you dodged this piece. Do you? I'd bet you do.
     
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    It has been on my Facebook since the 8th October 2012, on studying that section of the Bible...

    Yet in terms of knowing about the Great Tribulation, I've known that since I can remember.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    This is a silly mistake many make, like they take a verse to accuse the Messiah, and forget it is our words, plus they miss all the context provided.

    Matthew 24:42-50 watch therefore, for you don’t know in what hour your Lord comes.

    Matthew 25:1-13 is the wise and foolish virgins meeting Christ at the Midnight Hour in the Sky, on the Clouds speaking on lightning, which is the internet.

    In Luke 17:22-37 it shows that Christ comes back, is rejected by everyone in Luke 17:25, and then the Fire and Brimstone comes in Luke 17:37; which is a reference to the Lake of Fire 'vultures gathered' in Isaiah 34:15.

    In Revelation 19:12 it tells us Christ has a new name only he knows, our name is Zanda or Zan for short, and since 4-5 years old, I've known prophetically our name is in the world's religious texts as one.

    Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

    In Hebrew Zan is the Flock of Israel, and Zion is often used poetically as David's Flock (ציון ▬ צאן).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  16. Left Coast

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    I don't accept "the world's religious text" as particularly authoritative or trustworthy, so that probably wouldn't do for me. Plus I don't know you, you're completely anonymous here, so I don't know how anyone would confirm any personal details about you. Can you perform miracles? Here, teleport over to my house right now and we can have a cup of coffee together and talk about it.

    Cool, how soon? Watchman thinks it's before the end of the month, you?
     
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    There were popular science articles about it before then:

    Will Betelgeuse Really Become a Second Sun in 2012? | Space

    Which is why in 2012 on FB you said:

    "Yeh, they say its mass has rapidly decreased, implying at some point it will soon pop...."

    You didn't get that from "studying Scripture" or being Christ. You got it from reading an article like everyone else.
     
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  18. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Lets look at equations of where being told things prophetically doesn't always have a timeline.

    At 5-6 years old, I was told by the Source of reality, Yeshua didn't go around saying "I Am" statements, and the world has been deceived by it...

    Regardless of discussing the contradictions of John, Paul, and Simon; Yeshua warned in all 3 Synoptic Gospels about this.

    Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them."

    At 21 years old at the fulfilment of Revelation 10, I was told that Yeshua came to set a Snare (Isaiah 8:11-22); I'm now aware of how I'm here before Judgement day in Isaiah 28:11-13, explaining the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-19), which is stated in Isaiah 28:20-21...

    In Revelation 2:22 is the closure of the Bed of Adultery, with those who don't understand it not surviving the Great Tribulation soon.
    The Son of Perdition is a stupid concept by the Pharisees & Hadiths, that there will exists a Son of the Devil; what they've done though is to demonize the Christ without realizing it.

    I'm not stating the Time is Near, the mainstream news around us predicts that; I'm just reminding people what religious texts say comparatively to the events taking place, as prophesied before the End of Time.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    There is obviously nothing more that can be said to you that isn't a complete waste of time.
     
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  20. wizanda

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    It seems soon based on all the prophecies, thus who needs dates, when we have data from some of the most advanced minds in human history.
    Lol, that is comical just make up my history.

    Used to be on the 2012 forums explaining Biblical contradictions at the time, due to not being sure if the Mayan calendar is accurate with our current date.

    I was told before I can remember the Tribulation will happen in my life time, I've then studied lots to question what others have thought; to dismiss things without examination is illogical.

    My statement in 2012 was correct, and now it has just increased in potentiality.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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