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Featured Do we Realize Isaiah 13:10 Prophesied Betelgeuse Will go Supernova?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Jan 3, 2020.

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  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    I was aware we've had supernova before, from things I've seen in religious textual data.

    Thank you for correlating data from NASA site; sorry my statement was wrong, as I've paraphrased one of the articles recently saying, we've never had one so close to examine the data more closely.
    The information I was sent with is how to see the Antichrist in the religious texts globally, and what is to be removed from reality soon.

    The evidence in the Bible is partially explained here (John, Paul, and Simon).

    Here is Dimensional Quantum Physics, which were Moses's 10 commandments, and advanced biology from the Chakras, and the forms of Yoga correlated.

    That is a start to some of the stuff to share...

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    The world's religious texts say everyone down near Hell is here for a reason; if you excuse your self, it is your choice.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  3. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Living life in silence, observing.

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    If all human beings are demons it would actually be strange you say it since you are in the human body your self. But yes we are on earth for a reason
     
  4. Dave Watchman

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    We may lose, and we may win.
    But we will never be here again.

    So open up, I'm climbing in.
    And take it easy.

    Like you said: "the Jews win, the Jews lose.

    In order for them to come back, they had to first get kicked out.

    And so there's been a few "commands, or decrees, to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.

    Check it out.

    Isaac Newton wrote a note about Daniel 9 possibly having two applications in time.

    A primary application for the first Visitation of Christ, and a secondary application for the Second Visitation of Messiah the Prince.

    Hence the split up of the enigmatic language of Daniel 9.

    "Know therefore and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' - Daniel 9:25

    Seven weeks, and 62 weeks.

    The 'sevens' are heptads, weeks of years, where each week is seven years. A compass pionting to the Jubilee Calendar.

    Sixty-two 'sevens' are 434 years.

    Seven 'sevens' are 49 years.

    If you google [ 1535 decree ], you'll get the walls of Jerusalem page from Wiki.

    Walls of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

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    They look like nice walls.

    The walls that were built based on the decree that came from Suleiman the Magnificent in 1535 are still standing today.

    Newton could have took a trip and seen them in person if he wanted.

    But he couldn't have known about the 1969 Knesset Decree.

    That one is hard to find, even now.

    A nice lady sent me a PDF written in Hebrew. I couldn't read it, but the dates were in English.

    But these pictures are even better.

    We get the year AND the month.


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    areas of activity - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem

    "In July 1968, the government decided to create the Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd., and in January 1969 the Company was established.​

    And in January 1969 the Company was established.

    תזכיר התאגדות החברה לפיתוח הרובע_1968.pdf

    I just think it's a bit too coincidental to have these two historical decrees from 1535 to 1969, that are lining up with the 62 weeks, and the 7 weeks from Daniel 9.

    So 1535 + 62 weeks of years (434) = 1969.

    1,535
    434 +
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    1,969 =

    And 1969 + 7 weeks of years (49) = 2018.

    1,969
    49 +
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    2,018 =


    "This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it; and lastly, that this rebuilding of Jerusalem and the waste places of Judah is predicted in Micah 7:11, Amos 9:11, 14, Ezek. 36:33, 35, 36, 38, Isa. 54:3, 11, 12; 55:12, 61:4; 65:18, 21, 22, and Tobit 14:5 and that the return from captivity and coming of the Messiah and his kingdom are described in Daniel 7, Rev. 19, Acts 1, Matt. 24, Joel
    3, Ezek. 36, 37, Isa. 60, 62, 63, 65 and 66 and many other places of scripture. The manner I know not. Let time be the Interpreter. - Isaac Newton​

    So if these final 49 years ARE the "compass of a Jubilee", as Newton put it, pointing to the 50th year, I might be looking for something apocalyptic to happen on or BEFORE some unknown date in January 2020.

    That isn't how it worked in the primary fulfillment. 457BC + 7 and 62 weeks until they were looking Jesus in the eye as He read the Isaiah 61 scroll in the Temple. I see this as 27AD. This time it's the mirror image, 62 weeks and 7 weeks.

    The 50th year after the previous 49.

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    “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews?
    For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” - Matthew 2:2

    Still, a spooky subject.

    Peaceful Sabbath.
     
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    What is the magic criteria you're looking for?
    I've always known from my earliest memories, I can not say from birth as my memory as a human goes back to about 3 years old...

    During this linear 4D experience I've had flashbacks of when the Island of Mu existed, the beginning of creation, etc.

    My earliest memories are of the Great Tribulation coming, it is blue printed x2 visions on my memory from before I remember.

    At 4-5 years old I knew the New Testament was corrupted in my Children's copies of the Bible; yet I needed to be able to read multiple languages to analyse it at 25 properly, since then I've been explaining to people on here.
    Yahavah means Lord of Creation, like Lord Brahma.

    Yahavah is an Elohim, which is a plural of a Divine Being (Eloh), which is the same as an Avatar in Hinduism.

    El Elyon (God Most High - Brahman) the Source of reality, is who I work for, and have seen in my NDE.

    The Divine Council from my understanding are the essence of the Divine understandings; some of these I know to be Buddha (Discernment), Lao Tzu (Ancient Master), Krishna (All Reflective), Yeshua (Salvation), Zanda (Exegesis), etc

    The 24 Elders are aspects of the One Source; each is a form of wisdom the Source presents... Yet ultimately none of this is real; only consciousness is real.

    So who spoke to me, Oneness did, the Source did, there is Only One.

    Manifestations that come from it with names, are not the whole.

    The wisdom that emanates from the Source is Dao, and that is beyond names.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Well, I'm still here on page #1 of your thread my friend... so I'm not sure where you are at with your research.

    But, incase you haven't noticed, there is an interesting pattern if you look at H3676 thru H3691. However, I'm concerned that our sources are going to be divergent. What does your source say about H3676? Is it rendered as "throne"?

    Also, here's a little status update of where I'm at in researching this:

    1) Orion is HOT! That is what I'm seeing in multiple Jewish sources. This could be the reason that it is named Kasil in Hebrew. An impious fool could be described as "hot". Someone who is "cold" wouldn't be foolish, they would be depressed...

    2) There's an Angel.. not a very friendly angel if my source is correct named Casseal. That could be the connection. Perhaps the full name would not be appropriate to speak out-loud, and that is why the name is slightly adjusted in the Text of Job 9:9? I don't know. it's just a theory.

    3) Also, I found an interesting comment about Orion... perhaps there was a myth among Jews that this constellation represented an Angel who fathered the Nephillim.

    4) The IbnEzra connection that I mentioned earlier is looking at the placement of Orion in the sky, and what IbnEzra says about that. Also Job 9:9 describes it coming from the South. That I think is significant and IbnEzra should explain that somewhere... I'm still searching for it...

    All of these would explain the connection of foolish and impious to the constellation and that would explain it's name Kasil. But there's a lot more to review before I am satisfied that I have reviewed the sources that are available to me... At some point over the weekend I'll review this thread and hopefully write-up the conclusions of this research. it's a fun project, and I thank you for inspiring me to it.
     
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    I'm the reincarnation of King David, and look similar, so I'm a naughty charming :smilingimp: Cherub :innocent:

    We all have our materialistic aspects, only the Source is 100% maths; yet my demonic self isn't evil, many people are evil down here...

    Like they spend all day screwing people, the planet, and everything over for the sake of their own wealth, and think it is socially or conscientiously acceptable.

    Yeshua's criteria of it is harder for a rich-man to get into paradise was quite literal (Matthew 19:24).

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    The first criteria are that you would have to cultivate spiritual teaching that you awake to by your own cultivation. And you already answered that this is not something you have done. That is my first clue to you not being an enlightened being.

    Second of all, an enlightened being who comes to this world would have pre-arranged in time before coming into this world in a normal birth, so it would be possible to cultivate, this means it would already be put in place enlightened beings to give the teaching needed, to remember the already level one would have in higher realms. As far as I can understand you, none of this has happened in your case, since you never speak about the level of wisdom you held before you entered this world.

    Third clue is because you mixing and matching your information so it fits your purpose for the discussion, but when someone (not just me) do backtracking of things you said in the past, and what you say now, often it is found that you contradict your self, and even you say often you don't know, or you would have to look it up. An enlightened being would right away know the answer and could give a very clear answer to unenlightened human beings
    Often your answer is not clear but muddy and you change to something new it when pushed to answer directly, instead of saying the same thing in a more clear way.

    You also use scriptures from every religion that has existed to ack your claims. But when it is checked, it is more or less in codes.

    To have a near Out of body experience or near-death experience is not the same as spiritual enlightenment.
    You have to many attachments to critique too, to be an enlightened being.

    This is only an observation of you and my assessment of the question if you are enlightened or not. I do not say I know everything my self, because I am clearly not an enlightened being at this moment in time. and i know you and others may disagree with my answer here, something that is ok.
     
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  10. Ouroboros

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    Soon?

    They don't think Betelgeuse will go supernova within our lifetime or our children's. Most likely about 50-100,000 years from now. So we better hurry up to wait for a very long time...
     
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    Fascinating assumption. Not actually in the text, but fascinating.

    Also, you're aware that years in the Jewish calendar are not the same length as years in the Julian or Gregorian calendars, right?

    But the passage says Jerusalem will be rebuilt, not just the walls.

    So...the Anointed One should have already gotten here? Two years ago?

    But according to your own math, the prophecy is two years late...? o_O

    So if "something apocalyptic" doesn't happen by February 1st, are you going to come back this thread and admit you got it wrong? Or are you going to grab a headline of something bad that happened somewhere that could lead to something apocalyptic (which you could do any month of any year) and say that the prophecy was fulfilled?
     
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    I find Isaiah 13 is first about God being against ancient Babylon. Babylon will fall - Isaiah 13:6
    No supernova involved.
    Babylon thought the Euphrates River was a natural defense for her.
    That appearance proved to be deceiving because she was conquered and her glory was replaced by the description found at Isaiah 13:7-8.
    When the conquering armies came then pain was sudden and intense like labor pains, their hearts melted with fear, hands dropped down as if paralyzed, and their faces were in flames as one would be ' inflamed ' with fear from their anguish. They would be looking at each other wondering as to how Babylon could fall.
    That day of Judgement or reckoning was painful for Babylon because such sinners were annihilated - Isaiah 13:9
    So, at this point in time it was 'Not the literal heavens' but things looked dark and gloomy for Babylon as if the sun, moon and stars all ceased giving their light upon Babylon - Isaiah 13:10-11.
    ALL of Babylon suffered because of her badness.
    Thus, this if prophetic of how dark and gloomy the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 will be for the wicked at the time when Jesus takes the action as mentioned at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.
     
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    I find what will be ' soon ' is the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
    Since ' Earth will abide forever ' as per Ecclesiastes 1:4 B, then God has something in store that will make that happen.
    Sleep is sweet because God's gifted Earth will always be here - Psalms 115:16.
     
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    When you mentioned the 'Lord's Right Arm' that made me think of God's Arm of the Law.
    God's Arm of the Law was used when ancient Babylon was conquered.
    God's Arm of the Law was used in the year 70 when the Roman armies conquered un-faithful Jerusalem.
    God's Arm of the Law will once again be used when He uses the political/military forces against un-faithful Christendom.
    Revelation 7:16; 21:4-5 informs us that good times are coming:
    Hunger will be No more, Nor thirst anymore, Neither will the sun beat down, nor any (fiery) heat. ( meaning by day the sun will Not strike you ) -> See Isaiah 49:10; Psalms 121:6.
    So, Earth will Not be scorched as in Earth being destroyed but the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7.
    This is why we are asked to ' repent ' if we do Not wish to ' perish ' ( be destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9
     
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    Strongs has 'sworn', which is as it is contextually used in Exodus 17:16.

    H3676
    כֵּס
    kês
    kace
    Apparently a contraction for H3678, but probably by erroneous transcription for H5251: - sworn.


    Brown Drivers Briggs has Throne.
    The references to Proverb 9:13 כסילות H3687, means a foolish person; thus in Isaiah 13:10 it could be the Constellation Orion originally had a different character as a Joker in Judaism, and then Jokers כסיליהם H3685 is used poetically by Isaiah to emphasize it is Judgement Day.

    This is repeated in the ideas of Isaiah 28:22 stating not to be mockers, as that is to be removed in Isaiah 29:20-21.

    In Amos 5:8 where Orion shall be made morning at night (Zechariah 14:6-7), he warns how people will be wicked in this time.

    The Bible is a deliberate Snare to catch out the demons seeking Salvation falsely, in a noose of their own making; thus the idea to call it Fools/Jokers, could be a comedy punchline.

    Which explains why Yeshua's statements, of why someone calling another 'Fool' would be in danger of the Gehenna Fire (Matthew 5:22)... Yeshua called the world Gehenna (Matthew 23:15).

    In my opinion.
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    The Bible has one prophetic line King David became Yehoshua with the spirit of Salvation (Yeshua) placed onto him; now I'm back as King Zion/David/Yehoshua, with the Spirit of Salvation coming soon as an avenging Fire by Source.
    As the being at the beginning of reality; who still speaks in Parables (Ezekiel 20:49) before the Fire at the End.

    The first and last letter is 'Z and A'.
    As the scriptures say, 'a wise man will thank you.'

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Context is everything, you'd make such a good investigator, if you dealt with details a little more.

    Not everyone dies at Judgement Day; just the argumentative stubborn demons that don't belong in this realm, and should be kicked out.

    Everyone has been tested by religious textual observations over thousands of years, to see who is worthy, under many stress tests.

    Teaching people they can survive by studying the wisdom is simple; if people weren't only argumentative externally.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Wow, thanks for reading.

    You did a good job chopping up my note into quotes.

    I stole it from an Eagles song;

    "We may lose, and we may win.
    But we will never be here again.

    "So open up, I'm climbing in.
    And take it easy.

    "Like you said: "the Jews win, the Jews lose.

    Or, you mean the part about two comings of Messiah concealed within the enigmatic language of Daniel.

    There's more to it than the Isaac note, but it's controversial.

    I think there had to be a provision for two comings of Messiah. The Old Time Jews might have redeemed the 70 weeks in the first century. They might not have rejected their Messiah.

    In that case something different would have happened already.

    We would be in the Kingdom of God by now.

    It WAS in their midst.

    A second coming would have been unnecessary.

    I am aware of that.

    And it's an excellent question.

    But it's no worry, a year is still a year.

    It still doesn't matter because we're counting weeks, not years.

    I can count 7 sets of 70 weeks, 4,430 years, from the Exodus in 1437 BC, until 1994 when Comet Shoemaker Levy 9 sealed the deal by whacking into Jupiter 21 times over a six day period.

    The weekly cycle has not been interrupted.

    I haven't been at this for too long, but a heptad is still a heptad.

    And the numbers add up.

    490 years are 10 Jubilee cycles.

    49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49=490 years.

    The 50th year then becomes year number one for the next Jubilee Cycle.

    It was the first time around.

    But still, the clock starts from the going forth from the COMMAND, the decree, a governmental order, to restore and to rebuild.

    The command itself is the important indicator, the main specification, that starts the clock ticking.

    Going forth from the command.

    "Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,'

    New Living Translation
    Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One—comes.

    English Standard Version
    Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks.​

    Some versions put a comma, and an AND.

    Some versions start a new sentence.

    But Newton's issue was that we are "doing violence to the language of Daniel" by adding the two numbers together.

    Some think so.

    Some think that this idea has fizzled.

    Some people are trying to find another date based on inscriptions on the sabils built around Jerusalem.

    Ha Ha, spellchecker doesn't know what a sabil is.

    Because of what Isaac said in his note about the compass of a Jubilee, I think we still have to the end of January.

    That "compass of a Jubilee" is the 49 years from 1969, that point to the 50th year which we have been in.

    "Know also and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to cause to return and to build Jerusalem, unto the Anointed the Prince, shall be seven weeks. The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign.

    For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming.

    "as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: - Isaac Newton.

    Chapter 10. Of the Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks. by Sir Isaac Newton

    I think that it should have happened about this time last year for another reason.

    When the second coming occurs, the resurrection, the rapture that will happen, I think is a one time deal. We are waiting for our brothers, and fellow servants, to enter into the world.

    We wait for the train to fill up.

    Somewhere on earth, I think, that there's a pregnant woman walking around.

    When it happens, her kid will be the last.

    There will be no more delay.

    I wouldn't be afraid to do that.

    I'm not dogmatic over this material.

    These are just my thoughts and working notes.

    And as I get perilously closer to the failure date, I'm both anxious and afraid.

    I still think it's uncanny to have those two historical decrees in both in 1535 and 1969.

    It's like, how do you make that up?

    If or when this fails, I wonder, were we supposed to add that single seven somewhere?

    "And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolate.”​

    Does the covenant week also have a secondary application?

    Another reason I post this is so other people can think about it and get an idea on it.

    This young lady, I think she's 30, also got the two applications idea on Daniel 9.

    She has an interesting twist on it from the Wiki link:

    "The Walls of Jerusalem (Hebrew: חומות ירושלים, Arabic: أسوار القدس‎) surround the Old City of Jerusalem (approx. 1 km²). In 1535, when Jerusalem was part of the Ottoman Empire, Sultan Suleiman I ordered the ruined city walls to be rebuilt. The work took some four years, between 1537 and 1541.[1][2]

    She wonders if the clock started between 1537 and 154, when the work was completed.

    But I think it would not cooperate with the Knesset material from 1969.

    She's a nice girl though.



    Nope, this thing, the four blood moons, and specifications surrounding the Revelation 12 sign, 1290 days from the Abomination until the "darkened sun, 7 sets of seventy weeks from the Exodus, until the Comet and the Fig Tree Generation is enough events for me that seem to be irreplaceable in time.

    After that I'm out of bullets.

    And I'll be welcoming another summer coming around.

    Peaceful Sabbath.
     
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    Betelgeuse will go supernova in like 100,000 years. Relatively soon in galactic terms compared to a standard human life span. I wouldn’t worry about it.
     
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    I could critique more of the commentary here, but honestly the easiest thing to do is to just test the hypothesis and...see what happens! So I'll see you back here on February 1st for a recap. Unless Jesus comes back sooner, of course. ;)
     
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