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Do Voters Share the Blame for Trump?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by youknowme, Dec 25, 2018.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Do you think more Tytlyfs would be enticed to vote?
    Or more Revoltingests?
     
  2. tytlyf

    tytlyf The Mind's Eye

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    Yes. If you have a system where eligible people have to vote. You'll need to have a system that is easy to use and informs the public on policy positions, etc.
    The current system has been broken a long time. It's been corrupted.
     
  3. Nous

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    If you do not understand or dispute any of the information I provided on the electoral system and unequal voting power, please say so, or click the link I provided. Obviously you have plenty of time to research and inform yourself on such issues.

    There are important reasons to support the NPVIC, regardless of your animus toward Hillary Clinton.
     
  4. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I actually dislike Hillary less than Donald.
    But my vote wasn't about picking a friend or roommate.
    It was to put the least dangerous candidate in office.
    Btw, I did answer your question.
     
  5. tytlyf

    tytlyf The Mind's Eye

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    The POTUS is a leadership position. Hillary was the responsible choice. I told you that long before the election.

    Only one of their foundations is still standing.
     
  6. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    It's true that you do tell me many things.
    And I file them away.
     
  7. Nous

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    Did you yet understand the important issue of the unequal voting power that the electoral system creates according to state population?
     
  8. Revoltingest

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    That's a loaded question.
    You place greater importance on this than do I.
     
  9. Watchmen

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    Hillary the responsible choice? What a joke.
     
  10. metis

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    Trump isn't a "joke"-- he's a "catastrophe".
     
  11. Revoltingest

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    Let's think about this.
    What is actually so bad?
    - Has he started any new wars?
    Other presidents did, or escalated continuing ones.
    (Hillary voted to start one, & threatened more.)
    By this measure, no catastrophe.
    - Have we suffered any tax increases?
    The TCAJA has increased federal revenue, but some changes
    are for the better, eg, less subsidy for home ownership.
    No catastrophe here either.
    - Have the deficit & the debt increased?
    Yes, this is bad, but one can't call it a "catastrophe" when
    it's just business as usual for all administrations.
    - Supreme Court nominations.
    This is indeed a catastrophe for people who wanted a more
    liberal activist court. But other than partisan preference, his
    justices have been reasonable choices. So no catastrophe.
     
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  12. Watchmen

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    Wrong
     
  13. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    Do you think Trump will get into Heaven?
     
  14. Watchmen

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    I don’t believe in Heaven.
     
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    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    If there was one, do you think he'd get in or would he go to that other place?
     
  16. Watchmen

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    If there was one it wouldn’t be for me to judge where Trump or anyone else would go. Only God knows, right?

    And your line of questioning is totally irrelevant to this thread.
     
  17. Curious George

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    You would give up freedom of speech? There must be a better way to address the problems.
     
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    Under Trump's tax plan people who earn between $157,501 to $191,650 and people who earn between $200,000 and $416,701 will have had their tax increased. More to the point however, Trumps tax cuts come at a price. Less taxes equals less money.

    And Trump seems to be adding to the debt at the rate Obama was, without the excuse of needing to prevent a collapsing economy.
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  19. Revoltingest

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    Aye, I've noted that Trump is still another tax & spend politician.
     
  20. Curious George

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    Nothing about the military escalation?
     
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