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DO U SAY JESUS IS "GOD" (IF U SAY SO THEN BIBLE DISAGREE WITH U)

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by flysky, Sep 19, 2005.

  1. flysky

    flysky Member

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    Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
     
  2. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Student People Stabber

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    I claim Jesus was a teacher and a great healer. In my believes, Jesus was a soul at the peak of spiritual evolution, and is now a patron god for some. Not as powerfull as God or Goddess, but still a very powerfull spirit.
     
  3. flysky

    flysky Member

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    In simple he was a Prophet.
     
  4. JerryL

    JerryL Well-Known Member

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    To Chrisindom, Jesus was an aspect or part of God. My arm and I are one, but we are also not one.

    I don't find the dicotomy all that difficult to grasp; though even if you do, you can excuse out by calling it "miraculious". I can sit and make all sorts of analogies to familys vs individual members, psychies vs parts, body wholes vs systems, etc/ to give examples of such apparent inconsistancy.
     
  5. john313

    john313 warrior-poet

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    pretty cool stuff. what jesus was saying is explained by quantum physics. i would recommend the movie/documentary "What the Bleep Do We Know" or a book on quantum physics such as "the holographic universe", "in search of schrodinger's cat" or "the elegant universe". they are all written in pretty understandable terms compared to some books i have seen on the subject. the movie is the easiest to understand though :) . "the holographic universe" is the best in my opinion if you do not want to get into the history of physics and quantum physics, just the modern theory and some possible applications of it.
    but Jesus was saying that all life is one, we are all connected, all part of God. God is the totality of everything, not a single human. that is why we need to be kind, by being cruel to anything, we are actually hurting ourselves. he was teaching what is considered eastern philosophy nowadays.
    another example is John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
     
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  6. Ronald

    Ronald Well-Known Member

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    Send your arm to Texas, FeDX, to explain that to me hand to face, I just don't get it!
     
  7. dan

    dan Well-Known Member

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    But is it consistent for a religion to pervert that analogy into the most ridiculous of inconsistencies (i.e. the Trinity)? Christ says in the Intercessory Prayer (John 17)
    that He wants all His followers to be one with HIm as (in other words "in the same manner that") He and HIs Father are one. That manner must be consistent with the idea of being one in purpose, perfection and will (unless the Pope wants everyone to physically morph into some giant ubermensch). There is no other way to interpret it within the realms of rationality.
     
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  8. TashaN

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  9. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    Jesus was just a man, Christ is God, part of the triune Godhead. Jesus was not the only Christ. Look it up in the bible. Look up how many times the word Christ is used to describe others. Look up the original meaning of the word.

    Jesus was the man, Christ is the pattern.
     
  10. TashaN

    TashaN Veteran Member
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    If your statment is right so every christ mentined in the bible is a god? isn't it?
     
  11. preacherman

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    Go back to John 1:1 in the begining was the word and the word was with God and the Word was GOD ok dosnt the Bible refer the Spirit as the word in Ephesians 6:17 and the word was made into flesh(Jesus) john 1:14. From that BIble tells us its a trinity. They are all one and yes it was hard for me to understand that at first buit ill put it in words a 7 year old could understand and how i finally got it. Ok think of a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich. All have their own lil part but all our equally imporatant and all are one.
     
  12. Deut 13:1

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    Just my two cents, making the thread title in bold and with such a stupid name weakens your argument immediately. Be respectful and you might get more serious replies. Bolding the title and then using all caps with horrendous grammar isn't a great way to validate your thread. My grammar is horrendous too, but I make an attempt. In the future, try something simple but direct, "Do you believe Jesus is G-d, possible biblical descrepency" might help to stop initial reactions. The reason I bolded possible is because it could be a mis-translation, or you could have read it wrong, never assume you're a 100% correct thought. When I saw the name of the thread, my first instinct was, "What a moron". I don't mean this offensively, it's just a tip if you want to be taken seriously. No hard feelings between though me and you. You keep on pointing out those contradictions in Christianity. :)

    Again, this is just my two cents. Take it for what it is worth.
     
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  13. mr.guy

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    Sounds like you could interchange "christ" with "budda nature" or some such...
     
  14. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    In the Christian bible God says that "you are as God's and don't even know it." Jesus says that "all these things I do, you can do, and more."

    Yes, the spiritual office of Christ has been occupied by Krisna, Buddha, Muhammed, and many others. Jesus did, however reach a higher level of enlightenment that any other man who has incarnated on Earth. He showed us how to remember our connection, and keep the connection open. He showed us that we can over come the 'temptations of the flesh' and reach a higher state of being.
     
  15. ThisShouldMakeSense

    ThisShouldMakeSense Active Member

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    quick question. Why do you spell it like that? G-d? Thanks
     
  16. ThisShouldMakeSense

    ThisShouldMakeSense Active Member

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    This scripture actually speaks about the ransom sacrifice, but i think it possed a good question to trinitarians. hebrews 9:24
    'Christ did not go into a holy place made by men's hands. The holy places on earth only show in a little way what the true holy place in heaven is like. He went into heaven itself. Now he stands before God for our sake.'
    what is your understanding of this scripture?

    also, these ones
    1 Corinthians 8:4,6:
    '4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
    6'But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we exist for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
    1 Timothy 2:5
    'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;'
     
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  17. TashaN

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    Do you mean that anyone can do the as Jesus was doing? :confused:
     
  18. preacherman

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    The Truth, yes its very possible. If we had the Faith of a lima bean we could mvoe mountains according to the Bible. The only thing keeping us from doing what Jesus did is a lack of Faith.
     
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  19. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    Amen preacherman! Frubals to thee...
     
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  20. Fatmop

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    How do you measure faith? How do you know you don't have enough of it to move a mountain? Have you ever tried?
     
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