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Featured Do the gospels report that Jesus liked his food and wine with nasty people, sometimes to excess?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by oldbadger, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Nothing of the kind. I simply asked for clarification because what you wrote is contradictory.

    That aside, the fact that you feel compelled to try to tie what I wrote, simply on the basis of my being a Jew, to what you call "snooty Jewish priests" says more about you and your own prejudices than anything else.
     
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  2. Dropship

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    Personally i've always liked Jews because they're warm friendly people and seem to have broken their old habit of killing prophets, so they're all right by me, I've worked at two jewish family-owned firms and got on great with them, and am a big Judge Judy fan..:)
     
  3. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    ...... and none of it, any of it, spoken by Jesus.
    Actions speak louder than words.

    And yet so many Christians who would make such a fuss about a man enjoying his meat and wine, possibly to excess sometimes, disregard the things that Jesus made much of. It would be better of they quoted Jesus and followed his advice, such as :-

    Mark {10:25} It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    So much fuss about inebriation, so much hypocrisy over mammon. It's no good, FP.
     
  4. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Oh dear.....! After all the genocides of the North American tribes, the holocaust, the troubles....... best to hide, I think.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    One moment Christians rant about Jewish Priests, the next they rant about 'The Jews'.
    Jesus, of course, was pulling for nd on behalf of the Jewish people. Not gentiles. He said so.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    How dreadful! Shocking!
    But Jesus said nowt about it, acted as he wanted to, and spoke out against Mammon which Christians mostly clutch to themselves, and overlook, and even think of ways to refutre his words.

    Now we're getting somewhere.
     
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  7. Dropship

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    Better check out your bible again mate, JC came for EVERYBODY..:)-

    Jesus said-"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16)

    Paul said -"For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' (Acts 13:47)
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Jesus said differently. And that John he never ever knew Jesus.

    Paul. .... Paul never knew Jesus

    These people built a Church for gentiles.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention to your sunday school teacher mate.
    John was one of the disciples, and Paul spoke to the risen Jesus on the Damascus road, so their street cred is off the scale.

    And the early churches were for ALL Jesus's followers whether jewish or not..:)
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Thanks for your reply, Dropship.
    I paid more attention to what John wrote, and from his gospel I know that he was not the disciple John.
    That in itself is worth its own thread, I suppose.

    As for Saul, a man who bust his contract with the priesthood and went off on some other course altogether, I know he never met Jesus. You see, he didn't have the first clue about any thing that Jesus did in all of his mission except what he heard in the last hours days.
     
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    Saul was a bounty hunter on the payroll of the snooty priests, with the job of rounding up Christians for punishment, but he was knocked off his feet on the Damascus road by an instantaneous download of the holy spirit which taught him all about Jesus in an instant.
    So he changed his name to Paul (below) and became one of the greatest christians of all..:)

    rel-Paul.jpg
     
  12. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    I'll accept that he had s blinding idea on that road. He was contracted to obtain payments or attendance of Folks who were not keeping Temple feasts as required.
     
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    Jesus was a carpenter which was/is a good paying blue collar job. Jesus would have had blue collar friends and coworkers in the trades. It would be normal for a group of hard working tradesmen, to go out together to have a meal and beverages at the local watering hole. At a job site, both sinners and non sinners can become friends when there is professional respect; team spirit.

    All that hard work, eating and drinking would be part of the training Jesus would need to withstand the series of tortures he would soon face. He would need to be strong, healthy and well fed so his body could keep going.

    Wine is a central Christian symbol. When one drinks alcohol, the censorship part of the brain can shut off, and what is being hid behind a mask of censorship is brought into the open. Truth is not who we pretend to be, but is often what comes out when we lower our inhibitions. Jesus got to see good people open up, who had been judged by the Pharisees as sinners.

    It must have been a pretentious times with alcohol a type of truth detector.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    What a wonderful idea. :D
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    There is nothing in the Torah that forbids wine. In fact, drinking four cups of wine is part of the Passover Seder for Jews (such as at the last supper). I'm not sure where you got the idea that alcohol is supposed to be a truth detector. It is, first of all, a way of preserving and sterilizing drink, and secondly a way to relax and have fun, such as at the wedding at Cana.
     
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  16. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    :p
    There was no middle class, or blue collar class, WW. There was the High class (mostly Levites) and the peasant orders.
    The only people who got to rise above those orders were the successful merchants and Brigands. King Herod had been a brigand. :)
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Absolutely! And the gospels show that Jesus liked his food and drink. I suspect that water could be a killer, back there and then.
     
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    The Lord Jesus Christ claim that He had come to fulfill both the Law and the Prophets.

    It was because He lived according to the Law and the teachings of the Prophets that He could justly call out the hypocrisy of the Jewish elders - who claimed to live by both but didn't.

    I have provided ample evidence that God - through His Prophets - abhorred drunkenness.

    The New Testament is full of examples of the Lord Jesus Christ quoting from the Law and the Prophets.

    I understand your lazy argument of, "Jesus didn't specifically talk about X - so it's ok."

    But that is an argument made from ignorance.
     
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    Aw - the classic, "I'm losing this argument so I'll bring up a random topic to distract everyone from my epic fail!"

    *Slow Clap*
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Source please!

    Jesus did not live by the law! He disregarded several 'everyday' laws. Do I need to teach you about this?

    Enjoying your meat and wine, maybe sometimes to inebriation, doesn't mean you live in drunkenness or food excess. Jesus liked his meat and wine.

    Christians insist that Jesus REDACTED all the Old Testament Laws. You need to make your mind up.

    Just stick to what Jesus said and did, FP.
    I'm neither ignorant nor lazy (a bit insulting of you....yes?) ........ I just remember about what Jesus said and did and you don't seem to.
     
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