Do the abrahamic God dislike sex outside of marriage?

[Trailblazer]

Because that's what they define it to be. They are the final authority on the Baha'i religion rules and practice. They are to the Baha'i faith what the Congress and the Supreme Court is to an US citizen or the Pope to Catholics.

That's the first line describing it:

The Universal House of Justice (Persian: بیت‌العدل اعظم‎) is the nine-member supreme ruling body of the Baháʼí Faith

Universal House of Justice - Wikipedia

If you can name an authority within the Baha'i faith that can reverse a decision made by the UHJ please mention it. The only thing above it, as far as I can see, is their prophet who happens to be dead and thus cannot clarify his teachings or make political decision concerning the administration of his Church and their deity which, according to their own faith, doesn't meddle in this way with his creation.

You are correct that they are the final authority on who is considered a Covenant-breaker and will thus lose membership, but that does not mean that they wield power over the other institutions of the Baha'i Faith such as the National Spiritual Assemblies. They offer advice and guidance to the NSAs and the LSAs, and they develop 5 Year and 10 Year Plans for the Bahai communities to follow, but we are not ordered to follow those plans, we can do our own thing.

The UHJ does not have any jurisdiction over individual Baha’is and they do not interfere in their lives unless they break the Covenant. The UHJ does not do anything but legislate on what is not spelled out in the Writings of Baha’u’llah. The function of the Universal House of Justice was outlined in the Writings of Baha’u’llah before it was possible for it to be formed. It is a legislative body of nine members elected from among the nations of the world where there are Baha'i National Spiritual Assemblies. It has authority to make decisions about principles or actions which are not expressly revealed in the Writings of Baha'u'llah. It also legislates as to when it is timely for certain of the Laws of Baha’u’llah in the Aqdas to be practiced. Finally, only the Universal House of Justice can declare any Baha'i to be a Covenant-breaker but it has to be a serious infraction, someone trying to start their own religion in the name of the Baha’i Faith, claiming they are based upon the Writings of Baha’u’llah because that is breaking the Covenant of Baha’u’llah and would ultimately lead to the religion breaking up into many sects, as happened in Christianity and many other religions.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Since God as will and a personality, at least in the way you describe him, then yes he can be unjust and sexist if he so desired. Though childbirth isn't in question here.

What makes Baha'i sexist is the fact that its ruling institution is closed to women and forbids women to participate in certain military roles. Those are two things that some women can and do want to do. Nature gave them the basic aptitudes and these particular women cultivated them and yet it's denied from them, not by nature, but by a religion's rule. That's discrimination and thus sexism without an ounce of a doubt since men don't face this restriction not foisted upon them by nature itself.

PS: On the point of natural abilities note that they are all ultimately potential. Most women can have children, but not all of them do and telling them that they must or that they are lesser for not having them is, in my opinion, injurious.

Officially this is one of Bahá’í Writings regarding the topic.

Know thou, O handmaid, that in the sight of Bahá, women are accounted the same as men, and God hath created all humankind in His own image, and after His own likeness. That is, men and women alike are the revealers of His names and attributes, and from the spiritual viewpoint there is no difference between them. Whosoever draweth nearer to God, that one is the most favoured, whether man or woman. How many a handmaid, ardent and devoted, hath, within the sheltering shade of Bahá, proved superior to the men, and surpassed the famous of the earth.

The House of Justice, however, according to the explicit text of the Law of God, is confined to men; this for a wisdom of the Lord God’s, which will erelong be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon. (Abdul-Baha)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think I have told you that my pain, trauma and scars from my upbringing and family was very different from yours.
I guess you could say I was emotionally abandoned even though I had a stable home. My parents were never divorced and were married only to each other for 28 years, until my father died of a heart attack when I was 12 years old. After that all hell broke loose with my mother's drinking.

Given how many times I have wanted to die, it's amazing that I'm not dead right now, is all I can say.

Well, my first memory was my drunken paternal grandfather shooting at my mom as she tried to protect me from the bullets. I remember him being arrested though a fence and flashing lights.

 

[epronovost]

The House of Justice, however, according to the explicit text of the Law of God, is confined to men; this for a wisdom of the Lord God’s, which will erelong be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon. (Abdul-Baha)

And that's sexism and discriminatory. Saying "because Abdul-Baha says so" doesn't change the fact that this is sexism.

Baha'i might claim that men and women are equal before God and in spirituality, but their status when it comes to temporal powers within the Baha'i Church are certainly different and in favor of men as demonstrated by the fact the UHJ is strictly composed of men.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, my first memory was my drunken paternal shooting at my mom as she tried to protect me from the bullets. I remember him being arrested though a fence and flashing lights.

That sounds pretty frightening. My memories of childhood are rather vague. What I can remember is my mother and father fighting and her chasing my dad around the house with a cast iron skillet. She was the angry one, he was more quiet and reserved. I also remember when we went to our cabin on a lake in Canada he would get really drunk with this other man who lived on the lake and my mom would wait and worry what might happen.... But like I said, my memories of childhood prior to my dad's death are really vague. Maybe that is because I blocked them out.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That sounds pretty frightening. My memories of childhood are rather vague. What I can remember is my mother and father fighting and her chasing my dad around the house with a cast iron skillet. She was the angry one, he was more quiet and reserved. I also remember when we went to our cabin on a lake in Canada he would get really drunk with this other man who lived on the lake and my mom would wait and worry what might happen.... But like I said, my memories of childhood prior to my dad's death are really vague. Maybe that is because I blocked them out.

I wish I blocked my childhood memories out. My dad was a scumbag who was kicked off the police force in New Orleans for pistol whipping someone. He would beat the hell out of me for no reason. He would make me sit in the bathroom in our little 90s residential hotel room (residential hotels in San Francisco were basically flop houses; with many murders, overdoses and suicides) while he jerked off to porn and then would beat the hell out of me when I tried to get another book to read. Eventually he ran off with a 14 year old girl that was part of the criminal gang he ran around with. All the while, my mom was working full time and had no idea what I was going through while she worked to support us all.

He ran off in 1996 with the 14 year old, took the rent money, the cops didn't care and my mom and I became stuck in Ohio, which was a bad idea. She ended up dying here and I might as well be dead at this point. I haven't had any contact with my dad since then. At this point, I hope he is dead to me as I am to him.

There's so much more about how awful both sides of my family are, but it's too much for most people to handle. I don't bother to talk about it anymore. I just want my family line to die at this point.

 

[firedragon]

Do the abrahamic God dislike sex outside of marriage?

It would depend on which writers perspective you are asking this question from.

 

[firedragon]

I wish I blocked my childhood memories out. My dad was a scumbag who was kicked off the police force in New Orleans for pistol whipping someone. He would beat the hell out of me for no reason. He would make me sit in the bathroom in our little 90s residential hotel room (residential hotels in San Francisco were basically flop houses; with many murders, overdoses and suicides) while he jerked off to porn and then would beat the hell out of me when I tried to get another book to read. Eventually he ran off with a 14 year old girl that was part of the criminal gang he ran around with. All the while, my mom was working full time and had no idea what I was going through while she worked to support us all.

He ran off in 1996 with the 14 year old, took the rent money, the cops didn't care and my mom and I became stuck in Ohio, which was a bad idea. She ended up dying here and I might as well be dead at this point. I haven't had any contact with my dad since then. At this point, I hope he is dead to me as I am to him.

There's so much more about how awful both sides of my family are, but it's too much for most people to handle. I don't bother to talk about it anymore. I just want my family line to die at this point.

Telling your story has inspired me to take care of my future kid. You have said this directly with no hanky panky so will inspire many. I was also thinking of calling my mom again just to tell her how much I value her.

Thanks for that. Peace.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Telling your story has inspired me to take care of my future kid. You have said this directly with no hanky panky so will inspire many. I was also thinking of calling my mom again just to tell her how much I value her.

Thanks for that. Peace.

Well, my mom is dead and I only have contact with one of my (many) blood relatives. Maybe you'll have better luck than I and some of the adoption cases I've known. I personally don't care about relatives anymore and wouldn't mind dropping dead. Honestly, I wish my mom had aborted me like she scheduled to do so but was too Christian to carry through. Good luck.

 

[Trailblazer]

I wish I blocked my childhood memories out. My dad was a scumbag who was kicked off the police force in New Orleans for pistol whipping someone. He would beat the hell out of me for no reason. He would make me sit in the bathroom in our little 90s residential hotel room (residential hotels in San Francisco were basically flop houses; with many murders, overdoses and suicides) while he jerked off to porn and then would beat the hell out of me when I tried to get another book to read. Eventually he ran off with a 14 year old girl that was part of the criminal gang he ran around with. All the while, my mom was working full time and had no idea what I was going though while she worked to support us all.

He ran off in 1996 with the 14 year old, took the rent money, the cops didn't care and my mom and I became stuck in Ohio, which was a bad idea. She ended up dying here and I might as well be dead at this point. I haven't had any contact with my dad since then. At this point, I hope he is dead to me as I am to him.

Given your childhood, I would say it is a miracle you turned out as well as you did, with morals and principles, but I am sorry for your pain.

I am sorry you feel like you may as well be dead. I have the same feelings all the time but for different reasons. I am in between crises now but I still have pain. In spite of what it looks like on the surface, me having a successful career and financial security and a stable marriage, underneath it all I feel worthless and that I don't deserve to live, let alone have anything just for myself. I think the damage that was done to me was internalized early on and it never went away completely.

I would say my dad was the better parent of the two because I can never remember him being angry, critical or unkind. By contrast, my mom was very angry and critical, so when I got married I was also angry and critical with my husband. It took years of counseling and 12 step programs to gain self-awareness and overcome that.

 

[firedragon]

Well, my mom is dead and I only have contact with one of my (many) blood relatives. Maybe you'll have better luck than I and some of the adoption cases I've known. I personally don't care about relatives anymore and wouldn't mind dropping dead. Honestly, I wish my mom had aborted me like she scheduled to do so but was too Christian to carry through. Good luck.

SF. Maybe you dont know what an effect you have on people. Though you speak so directly and piercingly, it will affect those who need it. And I have this gut feeling those who are hearing you will leave a progeny that will make this world a better place.

Trust me, I am no rosy mouth to pacify people. I am only telling you the fact. Honestly mate, I am just taking a wash to call my mom on Skype to be presentable, just to make her feel better and that's because of your message. Maybe you have no clue of your value. Also, I dont have a child yet, but will soon. And truly, I am up thinking what I could do to better my future Childs life. Today I dont generally work, but I am thinking of making a plan to improve it with out compromising on my future family time with my kid.

I dont know man. I can keep talking like a parrot at the moment.

Well. Thanks for that. I mean mate, from the bottom of my heart.

Cheers.

 

[Glaurung]

I hate to burst bubbles but the Abrahamic religions are far from the only religions to restrict sexual activity. For example, according to Thai Buddhism sexual sinners will be punished in Hell by being forced to climb and caress trees covered with metal spikes. Because Thai Buddhist Hell is heavy metal.

In any case modern people love to believe that sex is harmless. And, that if there is a moral order to the world, it in any case has nothing (inconvenient) to say about our sexual conduct.

And certainly in our modern world of antivirals, antibiotics and reliable contraception it is easy to scoff at the taboos of traditional societies. With our modern technology and unprecedented stability and wealth we can somewhat minimize and offset a lot of the potential consequences of what in any other time would have been utter sexual irresponsibility.

But for most of human history most people were dirt poor and had no access to contraception yet alone effective treatments for venereal disease. It makes sense then that complex societies tended to put strict restrictions on sexual activity. Due to the many potential consequences and externalities put on both families and society at large as a result of irresponsible sexual behavior. (Albeit, high ranking, wealthy men could often get away with somewhat looser standards. At least until syphilis showed up).

 

[firedragon]

Thai Buddhism sexual sinners will be punished in Hell by being forced to climb and caress trees covered with metal spikes. Because Thai Buddhist Hell is heavy metal.

Thats interesting. Which scripture do they refer to?

 

[Glaurung]

Thats interesting. Which scripture do they refer to?

I don't know. I just remember reading about Hell in Thai Buddhism. It honestly looks like something out of Dante.

 

[firedragon]

I don't know. I just remember reading about Hell in Thai Buddhism. It honestly looks like something out of Dante.

I would like to read it. Because I am pretty sure in a scripture like the Tripitaka there is absolutely nothing like that. But there are other books that Buddhists around the world do use.

No worries MB. I just asked out of curiosity.

Thanks a lot.

 

[lukethethird]

Do the abrahamic God dislike sex outside of marriage?
What business is it of theirs?

 

[Glaurung]

I would like to read it. Because I am pretty sure in a scripture like the Tripitaka there is absolutely nothing like that. But there are other books that Buddhists around the world do use.

Naraka (Buddhism) - Wikipedia

Perhaps this will set you in a productive direction as skimming the article I see that it names some texts. Nonetheless, the claim that Buddhism (in its historical articulations) affirmed the existence of various realms where sin or 'adharma' is actively punished is pretty easy to confirm.

 

[lukethethird]

Do the abrahamic God dislike sex outside of marriage?
Why, is any one forcing them to?

 

[viole]

Do the abrahamic God dislike sex outside of marriage?

In general no. But He might accept exceptions if one of the partners has not the legal age to marry.

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Naraka (Buddhism) - Wikipedia

Perhaps this will set you in a productive direction as skimming the article I see that it names some texts. Nonetheless, the claim that Buddhism (in its historical articulations) affirmed the existence of various realms where sin or 'adharma' is actively punished is pretty easy to confirm.

Buddhism does speak of various realms. Its understood. Thauthisa, is a Devlova or a divine world which is synonymous with "heaven". I understand.

As this article shows, Naraka as a place, but the word Naraka means "bad" which is not necessarily another place. I mean it is not so clear cut as in other religions like Christianity. I understand from that article that some Chinese thought it is another place, but the king Yama in the Majjama Nikaya depicted in this article has a grilling for people and their "adharma" as you said. It is more like not just adharma, but Adharmika Karma or in simple terms "sinful actions". Naraka could very well be a state of living where you are born as a creature in a punished state.

If you read through that article that other than the Majjama nikaya which is part of the Sutta Pitaka, which is part of the Tripitaka but the other ones are pretty detached literature. For instance, though I have not read this scripture, Abhidharma Kosha was said to be written about 1500 years ago originally. So it is definitely not the Tripitaka which is the single most authoritative scripture in Buddhism.

Nevertheless, since I have not read this scripture, it is important that you showed it to me. Thanks a lot for that.

Wish you well.

 

[firedragon]

Do the abrahamic God dislike sex outside of marriage?
What business is it of theirs?

Lol. Good one.