Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

[sooda]

Do you remember the naming teddy bear “Muhammad” incident, some years ago?

Where some Muslims were so outraged that that British school-teacher let one of her pupils to name stuff toy “Muhammad” that they wanted to have her either flogged or executed or both, for blasphemy.

It drew international attention, and some Muslims were just as vocal as the Sudanese Muslims about torturing or executing the school-teacher.

In most religions blasphemy were reserved for profanity against any deity, not for against a human representative, like a prophet in this incident.

By using the blasphemy charges, they are essentially equating a prophet with a god.

And most Muslims, even today considered Muhammad to be infallible and inerrant like Allah.

Those types of elevations of a person with god-like status, is the same as idol-worshipping, or what people called them today, hero-worshipping, total reverence and adoration to their prophet.

I had a pet goat in Arabia named Muhammed in the early 1950s. Wasn't a problem for my family.

 

[sooda]

It doesn't say "to be called". Thats an intentional mistranslation.

King Hezekiah of Judah wrote Isaiah 700 years before Jesus was born.

 

[Wasp]

Do you remember the naming teddy bear “Muhammad” incident, some years ago?

Where some Muslims were so outraged that that British school-teacher let one of her pupils to name stuff toy “Muhammad” that they wanted to have her either flogged or executed or both, for blasphemy.

It drew international attention, and some Muslims were just as vocal as the Sudanese Muslims about torturing or executing the school-teacher.

In most religions blasphemy were reserved for profanity against any deity, not for against a human representative, like a prophet in this incident.

By using the blasphemy charges, they are essentially equating a prophet with a god.

And most Muslims, even today considered Muhammad to be infallible and inerrant like Allah.

Those types of elevations of a person with god-like status, is the same as idol-worshipping, or what people called them today, hero-worshipping, total reverence and adoration to their prophet.

Another definition for blasphemy is
"irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable" - merriam Webster

 

[Shad]

Islam mainly views the trinity as Shirk - whether it's polytheism or not is secondary.

Not when it uses the word gods not God as a counter to Christian views.

 

[Wasp]

Not when it uses the word gods not God as a counter to Christian views.

I don't understand.

 

[Shad]

Even only because the quran was written 600 years later, while written crucifiction narrative in the bible goes back to only a couple decades after the alledged events.

You are conflating a scrap of manuscript which is not about the crucifixion as if verifying later crucifix narratives. The earliest source for the Crucifixion are non-Christians.

 

[Shad]

I don't understand.

The verse linked says take Mary and Jesus as deities not as the deity. Ergo gods not God

In English God (capitalization) is the title based on Christianity and Judaism. Lower case gods is about everything else typically polytheism.

 

[gnostic]

Another definition for blasphemy is
"irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable" - merriam Webster

That usually apply to a deity or deities, but if you apply it to a person or object, like a book or some holy relics, then that’s idol worship.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

In most religions blasphemy were reserved for profanity against any deity, not for against a human representative, like a prophet in this incident.

Saying Captain America was a HYDRA agent was considered blasphemy so much Marvel writers got death threats.

 

[gnostic]

Saying Captain America was a HYDRA agent was considered blasphemy so much Marvel writers got death threats.

I haven’t heard of that. LOL

 

[sooda]

I believe Sufiism could be compared to the Hasidim and the Pentecostals.

Sufism with a small "s" is the spiritual part of all Islam.

 

[Wasp]

That usually apply to a deity or deities, but if you apply it to a person or object, like a book or some holy relics, then that’s idol worship.

Why?

 

[gnostic]

Why?

Do you understand the concept of WORSHIP?

Worship isn't just about faith-based belief.

Worship is also about reverence, devotion and adoration. Reverence to the religious belief.

It can be devotion to a god, but it can also be devotion towards a person, object/relic (eg scriptures), site.

 

[firedragon]

King Hezekiah of Judah wrote Isaiah 700 years before Jesus was born.

I know that Isaiah 9 is about Hezekaiah or at least that's what some Jewish commentary says.

But I can't see any evidence that Hezekaiah wrote it. And its not relevant.

But thanks for the information.

 

[Wasp]

Do you understand the concept of WORSHIP?

Worship isn't just about faith-based belief.

Worship is also about reverence, devotion and adoration. Reverence to the religious belief.

It can be devotion to a god, but it can also be devotion towards a person, object/relic (eg scriptures), site.

But blasphemy.

You sound like one of those everything's-idol-worship people.

 

[calm]

You are conflating a scrap of manuscript which is not about the crucifixion as if verifying later crucifix narratives. The earliest source for the Crucifixion are non-Christians.

Every prophet in the Old Testament prophesied the crucifixion and the resurrection.
Even in the name of the Father is the crucifixion! For the name of the Father YAHUAH means:
Behold (a) Hand, Behold (a) Nail.


Here are some prophecies of the prophets about the crucifixion of Jesus:

Thus MOSES, the servant of God, prophesied and said, "Ye shall see your salvation crucified upon the wood, and shall not believe."8

Thus DAVID prophesied and said, "Many dogs have seized Me; and they drove nails through My hands and 1

Thus ISAIAH prophesied concerning the Incarnation and Crucifixion of CHRIST, and said, "Who believeth our word, and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? And we spake like a child before Him: and He is like a root in parched ground, He hath no beauty and no form; and His form is more rejected and abased than [that of] any man. He is a broken man and a man of suffering; for He hath turned away His face, and they treat Him with contempt and esteem Him as nothing."2

Thus SOLOMON prophesied and said, "Let us kill the righteous man, for he is a burden unto us; he setteth himself up against our works, he resisteth our intentions continually, and we are an abomination unto him because of our sins."3And he continued, saying, "My son, let not wicked men lead thee astray; if they say unto thee, 'Come with us, be a partner with us, let us hide innocent blood and take plunder from him; and let there be one purse common to us all': withdraw thyself from their footsteps, for let it not be through thee that the birds find the net."4

Thus DAVID prophesied and said, "They cast gall into My meat, and they gave Me vinegar to drink to [quench] My thirst."5

Thus prophesied ISAIAH the Prophet and said, "He hath taken our disease and carried our sickness, and by His wound we are healed; and we saw Him suffering, and wounded in his pain; and He opened not His mouth in His pain, and He came to be slaughtered; like a lamb before his shearer He opened not His mouth in 1

Thus JEREMIAH the Prophet prophesied and said, "And they took the price of the honourable one thirty [pieces of] silver, whom they had honoured among the children of ISRAEL. And God said unto me, Cast it into the melting pot, and test it [and see] if it be pure; and they gave it for the field of the potter; as God hath commanded me I will speak."2

Thus ISAIAH the Prophet prophesied and said, "They counted Him with the sinners, and brought Him to death."3

Thus DAVID the Prophet prophesied and said, "Those who hate Me wrongfully are many, and they have rewarded Me with evil for good."4

Thus ZECHARIAH the Prophet prophesied and said, "And they shall look upon Him Whom they have crucified and pierced."5

Now there are still very many passages which have been written and many prophecies which might be mentioned concerning His coming, and His Crucifixion, and His death, and His Resurrection, and His second coming in glory. But we have only mentioned a few of the prophecies of the prophets—we have mentioned one of each kind—so that ye may hear, and believe, and understand, even as it is said in the Acts of the Apostles, "By the Gospel Thou hast guided us, and by the Prophets Thou hast comforted us; for the words of the Prophets make right the faith of those who doubt."6
Source: The Kebra Nagast: 109. Concerning His Crucifixion

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You are conflating a scrap of manuscript which is not about the crucifixion as if verifying later crucifix narratives. The earliest source for the Crucifixion are non-Christians.

You are missing the point being made.

It's about believing the quran over the bible concerning the crucifixion of jesus.
The biblical narrative however is way closer to the alledged event then the islamic narrative.

Right out the gates, sources closer to the alledged events are more likely to be closer to the actual truth of the event then sources further removed from it.

It doesn't really make much sense that a narrative 600 years after the supposed fact is apparantly more accurate in its description then a narrative a mere century after the alledged event.

 

[Wasp]

It doesn't really make much sense that a narrative 600 years after the supposed fact is apparantly more accurate in its description then a narrative a mere century after the alledged event.

If you ignore the former is more accurate in all aspects, including science.

 

[sooda]

I know that Isaiah 9 is about or at least that's what some Jewish commentary says.

But I can't see any evidence that Hezekaiah wrote it. And its not relevant.

But thanks for the information.

King Hezekaiah of Judah wrote the Book of Isaiah.

 

[sooda]

Every prophet in the Old Testament prophesied the crucifixion and the resurrection.
Even in the name of the Father is the crucifixion! For the name of the Father YAHUAH means:
Behold (a) Hand, Behold (a) Nail.


Here are some prophecies of the prophets about the crucifixion of Jesus:

Thus MOSES, the servant of God, prophesied and said, "Ye shall see your salvation crucified upon the wood, and shall not believe."8

Thus DAVID prophesied and said, "Many dogs have seized Me; and they drove nails through My hands and 1

Thus ISAIAH prophesied concerning the Incarnation and Crucifixion of CHRIST, and said, "Who believeth our word, and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? And we spake like a child before Him: and He is like a root in parched ground, He hath no beauty and no form; and His form is more rejected and abased than [that of] any man. He is a broken man and a man of suffering; for He hath turned away His face, and they treat Him with contempt and esteem Him as nothing."2

Thus SOLOMON prophesied and said, "Let us kill the righteous man, for he is a burden unto us; he setteth himself up against our works, he resisteth our intentions continually, and we are an abomination unto him because of our sins."3And he continued, saying, "My son, let not wicked men lead thee astray; if they say unto thee, 'Come with us, be a partner with us, let us hide innocent blood and take plunder from him; and let there be one purse common to us all': withdraw thyself from their footsteps, for let it not be through thee that the birds find the net."4

Thus DAVID prophesied and said, "They cast gall into My meat, and they gave Me vinegar to drink to [quench] My thirst."5

Thus prophesied ISAIAH the Prophet and said, "He hath taken our disease and carried our sickness, and by His wound we are healed; and we saw Him suffering, and wounded in his pain; and He opened not His mouth in His pain, and He came to be slaughtered; like a lamb before his shearer He opened not His mouth in 1

Thus JEREMIAH the Prophet prophesied and said, "And they took the price of the honourable one thirty [pieces of] silver, whom they had honoured among the children of ISRAEL. And God said unto me, Cast it into the melting pot, and test it [and see] if it be pure; and they gave it for the field of the potter; as God hath commanded me I will speak."2

Thus ISAIAH the Prophet prophesied and said, "They counted Him with the sinners, and brought Him to death."3

Thus DAVID the Prophet prophesied and said, "Those who hate Me wrongfully are many, and they have rewarded Me with evil for good."4

Thus ZECHARIAH the Prophet prophesied and said, "And they shall look upon Him Whom they have crucified and pierced."5

Now there are still very many passages which have been written and many prophecies which might be mentioned concerning His coming, and His Crucifixion, and His death, and His Resurrection, and His second coming in glory. But we have only mentioned a few of the prophecies of the prophets—we have mentioned one of each kind—so that ye may hear, and believe, and understand, even as it is said in the Acts of the Apostles, "By the Gospel Thou hast guided us, and by the Prophets Thou hast comforted us; for the words of the Prophets make right the faith of those who doubt."6
Source: The Kebra Nagast: 109. Concerning His Crucifixion

You really should research each "prophet" individually. Kebra Nagast has ot all wrong.