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Featured Do Members of Jehovah's Witness Celebrate the US Independence Day?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Jul 4, 2018.

  1. siti

    siti Well-Known Member

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    I post some things that others later decide are unworthy. :)
     
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    Please keep in mind, the hope of the Resurrection. The future time, after Armageddon, when dead mankind will be brought back to life...even the unrighteous, probably totaling billions (Acts of the Apostles 24:15).... and be given the chance to acknowledge Jehovah God’s sovereignty! 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 is something to look forward to.

    The Bible certainly says “God is love” — 1 John 4:8.

    You know the passage where Jesus says, “Even the hairs of your head are numbered”? Just think on this: for God to resurrect dead ones from thousands of years ago, He has to resurrect them with their memories restored, so that they’ll recognize their loved ones who also died!

    Now, that is personal interest, in each one of us!
     
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    What's the scriptural basis for this?
     
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    What?!

    I guess you think they’ll just be like zombies, huh?

    Oh, that’s right. You don’t think about it anymore. Sad.
     
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    I am thinking about it - to help me think about it some more perhaps you would be kind enough to please choose the most appropriate statement in regard to my question:

    (a) you don't know the scriptural basis for the fanciful belief that people who died thousands of years ago will be physically resurrected as humans on earth with their memories intact

    (b) there is no scriptural basis for the fanciful belief that people who died thousands of years ago will be physically resurrected as humans on earth with their memories intact
     
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    Thank you! (I knew you were a good guy!)

    We don’t mean to come across this way, have you really experienced this with us, face to face? We try to draw people to Jehovah’s worship (Isaiah 2:1-4...notice, “In the final part of the day’s”?) This leads to my next part...

    Regarding the “19th century”:

    Please read Daniel 12:4 and vss.9 & 10. In the “time of the end” is when these secrets, that even Daniel didn’t understand, would become clarified. There would be spiritual darkness before the Last Days, but enlightenment during those times. These are the times we live in....more confusion and disharmony than ever before.


    Kudos to you, for being aware of who we claim “Babylon the Great” is!

    What do you think of religious organizations (I’m not saying “people”) that support the conficts of their respective countries? Do you think God and Jesus really approve? I don’t think so. — Luke 6:27; Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35

    Actually, what we preach is the “Good News of the Kingdom” — Matthew 24:14; Revelation 21:3-4.

    However, we must point out the truth of 1 John 5:19.
    How we long for 1 John 3:8b.

    Religious leaders have failed...not God.

    And again, it’s really happy news JW’s share, of a better and more secure future soon to come. Can you just imagine experiencing the fulfillment of Isaiah 11:6-9?!

    This is for mankind on this Earth!
     
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    Job spoke of being resurrected, the prophet Daniel mentioned it in Daniel 12, Paul in Hebrews 11 spoke of those who “didn’t receive the fulfillment” of God’s promises, but were eventually going to. John 5:28-29. Acts of the Apostles 24:15. Etc.
     
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    I respectfully disagree.

    But i wish more Jehovah's witnesses were like you, because you are quite likeable! :)

    But I find the outlook of your JW faith to be judgemental, proud, self-righteous, unrealistic, depressing, and heartbreaking! :(
     
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    These all speak of a resurrection - where is the scriptural basis for believing that humans who died thousands of years ago will be resurrected to human life, on earth, with their memories restored? I want scriptural references, not chocolate box pictures of what you are taught to imagine.
     
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    Grief!
    A physical, Earthly Resurrection (stand back to life) was the only hope the Ancient Hebrews and Yahweh-worshipping Semites had. There was no other hope for the dead. Either you've forgotten, or you never learned that its the rebellion on this Earth that the Bible focuses on straightening out, not heaven. Matthew 5:5, Isaiah 45:18, Psalms 37:29, Revelation 21:3-4....Psalms 115:16....man's home is Earth.
    oh yeah, you asked about their "memories restored".....what do you think? They are zombie like?!!

    That just reveals a lack of reasoning and thinking on the subject...or scoffing.
     
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    To be honest, I would prefer that no one celebrated American Independence Day.
     
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    Ok...ya gots to say why.
     
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    The entire thing is a pointless exercise, that serves no real purpose other than to reinforce the "Muh freedom" attitude that you see too often these days.
     
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    Football is a pointless exercise, too. Is
    there anything that is not? Just wondering where
    you make distinctions.

    I dont know what a muh-freedom is
     
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    What? Oh you mean American Football - for a minute there I thought you were suggesting soccer is pointless!
     
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    So there is no scriptural basis for that belief then - as of course we both already knew - as far as being zombie like and lacking the power of reason - I guess it'll be hard to tell the difference in some cases! And just in case you are in any doubt - that last bit is "scoffing" - I have given up on reasonable debate since you are clearly unable your substantiate your claim regarding the resurrection.
     
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    I do have to object to several of your statements here. There are, for instance, JWs who have committed murder...JWs who steal...JWs who commit all sorts of crimes. As an example, in my home congregation there was a ministerial servant/former pioneer minister who murdered an elderly woman while seeking money for his cocaine habit.

    Then, of course, there are the numerous pedophiles who inhabit JW congregations all over the world.

    The "love" that JWs talk about is absolutely conditional. They don't really "love" their neighbors unless those neighbors are JWs and in the proper JW social clique. So many times, JWs, when leaving the doorstep of someone who didn't appreciate their uninvited intrusion, will comment on what a "goat" that person is and how God will soon be destroying them at Armageddon.

    And guns? LOL I know that when I was an active JW, guns, other than those used for hunting, were not utilized. Now, however, there are JWs who own handguns with concealed carry permits and who brag that they would shoot and kill anyone who threatened them or their families. That rather shocked me, but it seems to be a trend.

    So, perhaps it might behoove you to tell the truth, eh?
     
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    That’s just it...it is “reasonable” deduction.
    Our JW Broadcasting for this month highlights that very idea, asking ourselves ‘how, what, when, where, and why’ when meditating on Biblical accounts.

    It’s obvious you never did have a strong relationship with Jehovah. What was it that took you out of the truth, a desire for immoral sex? That is usually what’s behind it.
     
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    Wow! Don’t JW’s have a reputation for disfellowshipping those practicing bad things?

    Regarding your comment “there are JWs who own handguns with concealed carry permits and who brag that they would shoot and kill anyone who threatened them or their families“.... never heard that.
    Assertions without references are just words without meaning.

    And this: “As an example, in my home congregation there was a ministerial servant/former pioneer minister who murdered an elderly woman while seeking money for his cocaine habit.”....
    This should certainly be referenced in a news article. Can you provide it?
     
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    That is a ridiculous argument. Every organisation in the world could do the same thing.
     
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