Do entanglement and nonlocality imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected?

[Gambit]

Do entanglement and nonlocality imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected?

(Why is this religiously significant? Because spirituality can be defined as the transcendental experience of interdependence and interconnection.)

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Do entanglement and nonlocality imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected?
(Why is this religiously significant? Because spirituality can be defined as the transcendental experience of interdependence and interconnection.)

Quantum mechanics is nothing to do with spirituality, this idea is just pseudo-science. With greater awareness and insight one can see interdependence more clearly, but that's nothing to do with QM. QM operates at the sub-atomic scale, we don't experience it directly in our everyday experience.

 

[Gambit]

Quantum mechanics is nothing to do with spirituality, this idea is just pseudo-science. With greater awareness and insight one can see interdependence more clearly, but that's nothing to do with QM. QM operates at the sub-atomic scale, we don't experience it directly in our everyday experience.

I noticed that you failed to cast your vote.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I noticed that you failed to cast your vote.

I'll have to think about it some more. Interdependence at the sub-atomic scale is not the same as interdependence in our everyday world, different rules apply at different scales.
But I don't think there is any connection between QM and spiritual experience.

 

[metis]

Do entanglement and nonlocality imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected?

(Why is this religiously significant? Because spirituality can be defined as the transcendental experience of interdependence and interconnection.)

The most likely answer to your first question is yes, but your answer to your second question us conjectural, especially since "spirituality" is very abstract, thus more prone to be subjective.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do entanglement and nonlocality imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected?

(Why is this religiously significant? Because spirituality can be defined as the transcendental experience of interdependence and interconnection.)

I don't think we have enough understanding yet to properly answer this question. However...

Interdependence is like chaos theory as to what exactly the smallest effect can bring upon a larger scale, and interconnection while true enough that there is no discernible seperation to be had, would not always bring about any sudden "halt" overall if such interconnections happen to change directions and through the dynamic processes of change and fluidity.

 

[Sapiens]

Do entanglement and nonlocality imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected?

(Why is this religiously significant? Because spirituality can be defined as the transcendental experience of interdependence and interconnection.)

No,entanglement and nonlocality DO NOT imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected, they just suggest that SOME things MAY BE interdependent and interconnected in ways we did not know.

 

[metis]

No,entanglement and nonlocality DO NOT imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected, they just suggest that SOME things MAY BE interdependent and interconnected in ways we did not know.

But I would suggest that they probably are because it appears likely that all goes back to singularity.

 

[Sapiens]

But I would suggest that they probably are because it appears likely that all goes back to singularity.

There's many a slip twixt bang and next thing.

 

[George-ananda]

I believe entanglement and nonlocality are important in showing us that are common sense materialist/physicalist view of the universe is incomplete and tells us we live in a mysterious universe. To me, it suggest that everything may be interdependent and interconnected but I don't know if I would say that it 'implies' it. I would say mysticism supports this too.

 

[Unification]

Quantum mechanics is nothing to do with spirituality, this idea is just pseudo-science. With greater awareness and insight one can see interdependence more clearly, but that's nothing to do with QM. QM operates at the sub-atomic scale, we don't experience it directly in our everyday experience.

I beg to differ. You're referring to exoteric QM, there is metaphysical/internal/spiritual QM also.
Those same virtually infinite amounts of subatomic particles, photon's, atoms are at work within you relentlessly and make your direct experience.

 

[Gambit]

No,entanglement and nonlocality DO NOT imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected, they just suggest that SOME things MAY BE interdependent and interconnected in ways we did not know.

My sources tell me the implications are more broader.

Thus nonlocality, or non-separability, in these experiments could translate into the much grander notion of nonlocality, or non-separability, as the factual condition in the entire universe. p. 81

The experimental verification of nonlocality is the convincing demonstration to date of the unity of the cosmos. p. 179

(source: "The Non-Local Universe: The New Physics and Matters of the Mind" by Robert Nadeau and Menas Kafatos)

"We say that inseparable quantum interconnectedness of the whole universe is the fundamental reality and that relatively independently behaving parts are merely particular and contingent forms within this whole." (source: pg. 47 "On the Intuitive Understanding of Nonlocality as Implied by Quantum Theory" by David Bohm and B.J. Hiley)

 

[prometheus11]

No, they don't.

Misconceptions about such physical mechanics might provide a weak basis for some complex philosophy, though.

 

[Nous]

No,entanglement and nonlocality DO NOT imply that everything is interdependent and interconnected, they just suggest that SOME things MAY BE interdependent and interconnected in ways we did not know.

Which “things” are not interconnected? Which things are only “maybe” interconnected?

David Bohm seemed to believe that (at least) his version of quantum mechanics revealed an interconnected wholeness. In fact, I think he may have used the term “infinitely interconnected”. Gosh, I would hate to be the kind of thing not included in the infinitely interconnected whole.

 

[Nous]

I believe entanglement and nonlocality are important in showing us that are common sense materialist/physicalist view of the universe is incomplete and tells us we live in a mysterious universe.

Yes, I would say something like that. I have said something like that many times.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I believe entanglement and nonlocality are important in showing us that are common sense materialist/physicalist view of the universe is incomplete and tells us we live in a mysterious universe.

For sure, the universe is far weirder than we know. But claiming that mysticism can fill in the gaps is a stretch.

 

[George-ananda]

For sure, the universe is far weirder than we know. But claiming that mysticism can fill in the gaps is a stretch.

I think we can learn from mystical experiences. I learn from many mystical, spiritual and beyond the normal subjects and find they dovetail to a worldview that supports ultimate interconnectedness.

 

[psychoslice]

What the hell is spirituality really, just a lot of fancy words for something no one really knows lol.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I think we can learn from mystical experiences.

I think we can, but I am generally dubious about the tendency to reify these subjective experiences, projecting them out as some kind of "ultimate reality".

 

[Rick O'Shez]

What the hell is spirituality really, just a lot of fancy words for something no one really knows lol.

Yes, it does often look like that.