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Featured Do creationists accept biology?

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Jaiket, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Do you understand that there can be different meanings for words?
     
  2. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member
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    Aye. Not actually as daft as I look.
     
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  3. Audie

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    Even one who won't say "how come
    there are still momkeys"?
     
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  4. TagliatelliMonster

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    It is a code from one particular (figurative) perspective, and not a code from all other perspectives.
     
  5. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member
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    Can you elaborate? I mean the triplets literally code for specific amino acids.
     
  6. TagliatelliMonster

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    If you read that sentence, you'll note that "code" there is a verbe, not a noun. That is a first hint.

    The terminology says it "codes for this or that", because the proceedings are similar to how decryption works or alike.
    At bottom though, it is a deterministic chemical process.

    It is not a "code" like the alphabet is a code or like c# is a code, or like morse code is a code.
    It is not a means of communication either.
     
  7. Jaiket

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    You could rewrite the sentence and use code as a noun without losing meaning. It's often called "the triplet code".

    Of course it is deterministic. The examples you listed are all different but have certain things in common, I'm suggesting the genetic code shares these features.

    Have a read at this wiki and see what you think: Code - Wikipedia
     
  8. Jacques de Molay

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    No. It isn't.

    Not even close.

    Evolution is NOT a Law; it's a hypothesis.

    If you think it's a proven fact, well...You really haven't been paying attention. Or you've been fed a bunch of lies.
     
  9. Jacques de Molay

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    It most certainly IS a "means of communication."

    Ribosomes create new strands of DNA by specifically "reading" pre-existing strands first, then creating the new strand based on the amino acid sequences.

    If the ribosome reads a "C" (cytosine), it ALWAYS pairs the cytosine with a "G" (guanine) amino acid. If it reads a "T" (thymine), it ALWAYS pairs it with an "A" (adenosine) amino acid.

    So tell me again...HOW is DNA not a "means of communication"?

    THEN tell me HOW this could ever arise by random chance and mutation?

    I'll wait.
     
  10. Jacques de Molay

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    What do you think you "busted"?

    I provided actual facts. Yes...I have a BS (Cum laude) in Biology.

    You're inability to debate this issue is crystal clear. You merely reply in the contrary, and hope that your lack of substance is not noticed.

    Don't feel bad...The Dept. of Evolutionary Science at Harvard works exactly the same way.
     
  11. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Absolutely false. It is classified as a "scientific theory", although "theory" means something different in scientific circles than it does in lay terminology:
    Scientific theory - Wikipedia
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    BTW, "evolution" stands to even the most basic common sense, namely that all material objects appear ton change over time, and genes and life forms are material objects.

    Religion is mean to be enlightening, but it's not at all enlightening if it obscures basic facts that are testable:

    Speciation - Wikipedia [one can use the links there to see some of the specific examples]
     
  13. Audie

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    You are correct that the theory of evolution
    has not been proven. There's a kind of baseline
    ignorance in saying it is, that pretty much
    disqualifies the author's opinions from then on.

    As for your post, anyone possessing
    the education you claim knows that
    evolution as a law makes no sense at all,
    and that while evolution was a hypothesis
    at one time, say, 150 years ago, it has since
    passed every test, remained consistent with
    every relevant datum point, and long long
    since graduated to the status of theory.

    We don't find your baseless opinion
    supercedes that findings of the world scientific
    community.

    If of course you woul care to offer
    datum point or two such as disprove the
    theory, we would be ever so interested.
     
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    I think you're missing the point.

    Evolutionists can claim ANTHING they want about their pet hypothesis. It doesn't matter, because PER SCIENCE (in "scientific circles"), evolution does NOT rise to the level of a "theory."

    Period.
     
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    It is not. Communication is the sending of messages from one agent to another and it involves interpretation of said message.
    In DNA, no agent is involved on either end. Nore is there any interpretation going on

    Your use of quotes reveals that it is a metaphor.

    As expected from a deterministic chemical process.

    You just explained it.............

    It's just chemistry.........................................
     
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    There's no way you have credentials in formal education in biology as you claim, if that is what you believe.

    To say that in scientific circles, evolution isn't seen at the level of "theory" is laughable at best.
     
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  17. Audie

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    Such a transparent fake.
    Its obvious as it would be if I tried to
    do the after game wrap- up for a football game.

    I don't even know how they score a goal or
    what to call anything.
     
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  18. Audie

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    Just chemistry-
    Reminds me of professor in organic 1 who
    told us the Einstein quote about the definition
    if insanity isn't something Eindtein or any experimenter would say.

    So don't expect to get exactly what you
    expect no matter how careful you are.

    BECAUSE, anything that can happen, will
    happen.
     
  19. metis

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    My link clearly showed you that it the basic ToE is not just a hypothesis if you actually had bothered to read it. I also linked you to a source that shows studies on how species have evolved under observation that also includes links to those studies.

    So, it's obvious you'd rather use your religious beliefs as a set of blinders rather than enlightenment. Jesus said we would know the Truth, but what you are doing is to virtually ignore some the Truth.

    I grew up in a church that taught that evolution was "evilution", but I knew that couldn't be right even back in high school because of all the museums I'd visited with my parents that showed otherwise. I went on to college, eventually getting a graduate degree in anthropology, and then I taught it for 30 years. I left my church in my mid-20's because of it's anti-science bent, and I now belong to a church that actually accepts science, including the ToE, as long as it is understood that God was behind it all.

    Again, evolution is just plain old common sense, thus one needs not have a graduate degree to appreciate its reality as part of God's Truth.
     
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  20. Audie

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    Do you understand the critical role
    of equivocation in the code argument? ?
     
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